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US will end COVID-19 test requirement for returning travelers
As per this CNN article, the test requirement for travelers returning to the U.S. will be lifted on Sunday at midnight. I didn't find it particularly
onerous when we visited Todos Santos in February, but we would have had to scramble to change our plans if either of us tested positive.
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Covid has been over for many months.
Those fools are now trying to scare us with monkeypox. The CDC even had a recommendation to wear a mask, though monkeypox isn't an airborne disease??
Then they quietly removed the mask comment from their site. They are too afraid to share with the public who and what behavior puts someone at the
greatest risk of getting it.
The CDC might be the most inept branch of the government. Most of the stuff they do is driven by political theater. Half the country has lost all
faith in them.
[Edited on 6-10-2022 by JZ]
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Covid is not over. It just took a break.
I appreciate the CDC. Good to have an agency looking out for public health on a national level. I sure would not leave such to politicians, like you
right wingnuts advocate.
Btw, the 2 docs I recently talked to, neighbor and bro, both recommend mask on airplanes, and boosters.
Pigmy: you really should trust med professionals more than the right wingnut talking heads you follow on TV.
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Head in the sand fool.
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/coronavirus/50-increase-in-...
"June 10 (GMT)
Updates
33,348 new cases and 98 new deaths in the United States" ( World-o-meter)
And you are also incorrect (what else is new?) re monkeypox not being transferred through respiration.
"Monkeypox is transmitted through close person-to-person contact with lesions, body fluids and respiratory droplets"
https://health.ucdavis.edu/news/headlines/monkeypox-what-you...
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I'm staying away from "monkeys"
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I said "airborne." You'd literally have to be close enough with someone for them to spit on you.
See the CDC has already confused the hell out of you. First they said to wear a mask and now they removed that reference.
But for your sanity, I'm sure if you sit in your car with your mask on you'll probably be ok. You might want to get the vax just in case, please just
don't try to force it on others.
https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/transmission.html
"The virus may also spread through direct contact with body fluids or sores on an infected person or with materials that have touched body fluids or
sores, such as clothing or linens.
Monkeypox spreads between people primarily through direct contact with infectious sores, scabs, or body fluids. It also can be spread by respiratory
secretions during prolonged, face-to-face contact."
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Quote: Originally posted by JZ  | Covid has been over for many months.
Those fools are now trying to scare us with monkeypox. The CDC even had a recommendation to wear a mask, though monkeypox isn't an airborne disease??
Then they quietly removed the mask comment from their site. They are too afraid to share with the public who and what behavior puts someone at the
greatest risk of getting it.
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C.D.C. Dismisses Airborne Transmission of Monkeypox. Some Experts Disagree.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/10/health/monkeypox-airborne...
Monkey pox historically has had high fatality rate. Not something to dismiss as nothing burger.
…and looks like covid is coming back:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/california-covid...
[Edited on 6-10-2022 by mtgoat666]
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pauldavidmena
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My wife and I have been extremely conservative in our approach to COVID. We work from home, we're both vaxxed and double-boosted, and have worn masks
when mandated. Cape Cod, despite its progressive, elderly population, gave up masks nearly a year ago, so our tactic has been to use common sense and
to do home tests if we feel we might have been exposed. We don't want to get sick or to pass an infection on to our more vulnerable neighbors, so
we're erring on the side of caution while still trying to live reasonably normal lives. So far we're both COVID-free.
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Respiratory droplets ARE "airborne".
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| Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena | My wife and I have been extremely conservative in our approach to COVID.
We don't want to get sick or to pass an infection on to our more vulnerable neighbors, so we're erring on the side of caution while still trying to
live reasonably normal lives. |
Me, too. Despite JZ and other Covid deniers' ad nauseum portrayal of those like us sitting alone in our cars with a mask on, or hiding in our
basements, that is their fantasy of anyone who doesn't agree with their views, intended to make anyone who pays attention to, and understands the
science and the reality, look like fools.
That isn't, nor has it been the reality- those of us who are cautious and care about exposing vulnerable people, (sadly not a concern among many) have
been using common sense, based on real world data, rather than our opinions or politics, all along.
[Edited on 6-10-2022 by surabi]
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https://ca.news.yahoo.com/major-tourist-draws-become-virus-1...
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For some unknown reason, US spread of Covid is increasing while it is declining in the rest of the world, most of which have dropped mask and other
lockdown measures, 4th booster shots and testing requirements. Maybe its in the water?
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | For some unknown reason, US spread of Covid is increasing while it is declining in the rest of the world, most of which have dropped mask and other
lockdown measures, 4th booster shots and testing requirements. Maybe its in the water? |
What makes you think it's declining in the rest of the world? It certainly isn't in Mexico or the rest of Latin America. It's rising again in many
areas of the world.
And you seem to think that just because governments have dropped mandates, that means people no longer take precautions. Mandates were only necessary
because people wouldn't comply with recommended sensible behavior to curb a pandemic.
My take would be that the rates are going up where people think the pandemic is "over" and take no precautions.
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi | | Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | For some unknown reason, US spread of Covid is increasing while it is declining in the rest of the world, most of which have dropped mask and other
lockdown measures, 4th booster shots and testing requirements. Maybe its in the water? |
What makes you think it's declining in the rest of the world? It certainly isn't in Mexico or the rest of Latin America. It's rising again in many
areas of the world.
And you seem to think that just because governments have dropped mandates, that means people no longer take precautions. Mandates were only necessary
because people wouldn't comply with recommended sensible behavior to curb a pandemic.
My take would be that the rates are going up where people think the pandemic is "over" and take no precautions. |
Heres what the rest of the world is reporting:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid
I have no idea why the US is lagging with all the extra boosters provided and pushed out in the US. It's a mystery to me
Here is Sweden's reported present fatality rates, the country everyone stated was so irresponsible 2 years ago in comparison.
What is their secret?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
[Edited on 6-11-2022 by JDCanuck]
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You originally said you were referring to the "spread" of Covid, now you are talking about death rates. Death rates are down almost everywhere because
the Omicron variety is not as deadly as the original Covid viruses, and many people who refused to get vaccinated already suffered through Covid once
or twice and have enough natural immunity to keep them from dying.
Just because vaccines and boosters are provided, doesn't mean that people take them. For instance, while Canada has a vaccination rate of 86%, the US
has a rate of 78%. There are also areas of the US where the vaccination rate is quite low- you have to look at where the rates are up, and it usually
corresponds to the low vaccination rate, or to high density areas, like NYC, where communicable diseases spread quickly because of how closely people
live. Wyoming has a vaccination rate of 58.2% but there's a lot of wide open space in Wyoming, not a lot of high density areas, so it might not show
as high an increase in Covid rates as say, Mississippi, which also has a low vaccination rate, but is more densely populated.
While Sweden and the US have comparable vaccination rates, the percentage of fully vaccinated in Sweden is higher than in the US. Fully vaccinated in
the US is only at about 67%. Sweden's fully vaccinated is 74%.
You really have to look at all kinds of factors, and delve a bit, not just look at one or two graphs and assume it means something it doesn't.
And I really don't understand why you think that Covid rates are down everywhere else. Mexico's rate has doubled in the past couple of weeks or less
and the infection rate in the UK is up.
https://ca.yahoo.com/news/covid-19-infections-increase-uk-12...
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No doubt there are a whole lot of factors, but if i remember correctly, the US and Israel as well were among the first to have vaccines, boosters and
then 2nd boosters (4th shots) made available and one would have thought their recovery rates would be way ahead of some of those countries that now
exhibit lower fatality rates. The US tho is not doing as well as the world as a whole at present, many of whom have dropped their mask and other
mandates long ago. Mexico for the most part still maintains indoor mask mandates any place I have been.
The only answer i can offer is the other countries are offering treatments or medical services the US is not and this is whats leading to better
outcomes. Germany and Sweden are positive standouts as are most of the Scandinavian countries. There is a wide variation even in the US, with Utah
remaining as a standout on the positive side (they dropped mandates long ago), California, New York and New Jersey on the other end. Sweden
drastically boosted their staffed Critical care beds per capita early on, Germany and the other Scandinavian countries were already well supplied with
very positive results, while the US actually dropped their ratios significantly early in 2021, and Canada continues to decline after firing almost 10%
of their remaining staff early in 2022. Mexico from what I have heard were never good at supplying medical treatment or even oxygen enhancement to
infected persons once they became serious.
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That's a good point about other countries perhaps having better medical care that leads to lower rates of serious illness or death. But that wouldn't
really have much of an effect on the basic spread of the virus- however, it made me think of another factor- the fundamental health of the population
in general. I'll bet Swedes and other Europeans don't eat nearly the amount of junk food that the average American does. And the US, as well as
Mexico, have a huge (pun not intended) obesity problem. Mexico has the highest CocaCola consumption in the world- they drink the stuff like it was
water.
Also in countries with socialized medicine, like Canada and Sweden, people are more likely to seek medical care than in places where they might not
have any health insurance, or couldn't afford a co-pay.
Shockingly, the US has the highest infant mortality rate in the first world.
A friend of mine who was on vacation in Berlin went into a small grocery store, not some natural foods store or specialty shop, to buy some food and
asked the shopgirl which, if any, of their vegetables or fruit were organic. The shopgirl said it all was- that they don't use agri-chemicals to grow
or treat food in Germany.
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Covid is over people.
Monkeypox, monkeypox, monkeypox.
(although if you avoid anal sex at European raves you'll probably be okay)
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Those too are good points. There was a shocking link I came across on life expectancies globally aside from covid and the US was losing badly on the
life expectancy charts in very recent years. If there is that much differential in overall health of seniors between countries without an epidemic to
push the limits, it may go a long way to explain present differences in recoveries as well.
When I travel to Mexico for longer visits, my health improves rapidly, my weight drops significantly and I return to Canada feeling much better
overall. This is because I find the traditional Mexican diet far healthier than the typical Canadian carb loaded diet, but I notice a whole lot of
Mexicans lining up at the local McDonalds, etc. Coke consumption? Why would they drink Coke with all those great fresh fruit drinks available
everywhere? Thats one of the biggest factors I think leads to my weight drops is all the great fresh fruit and drinks down there that I tend to drink
that is unavailable up here.
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I think trad mex diet was corn-based, so prob high carb, and not what Dudley do right thinks…
What is the trad loonie diet he is contrasting to trad mex diet?
Does anyone really eat traditional diets?
Paleolithic diet is original traditional diet. It should be consumed with paganism, the traditional religion.
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