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[*] posted on 5-17-2024 at 02:30 PM


"There is a tire shop located in the town of Santo Tomás heading to the beach, where criminals act as pointers. They are known as Los Enanos and heading towards Ajusco there is another CDS surveillance area. That way they have control of who enters and leaves through the drug routes."

I think of the time I camped by myself off the road that heads out to Punta Baja. Pretty sure I was watched then. A lone pick-up with an unfriendly female driver slowly drove past my camp - came from the direction of the coast - no ranches out there - probably a lookout. That night there was gunfire across the valley and multiple vehicles speeding away on that southerly road. I'm probably lucky to be alive.

At least we now know. Damn shame.
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[*] posted on 5-17-2024 at 03:13 PM


Quote: Originally posted by wilderone  
"There is a tire shop located in the town of Santo Tomás heading to the beach, where criminals act as pointers. They are known as Los Enanos and heading towards Ajusco there is another CDS surveillance area. That way they have control of who enters and leaves through the drug routes."

I think of the time I camped by myself off the road that heads out to Punta Baja. Pretty sure I was watched then. A lone pick-up with an unfriendly female driver slowly drove past my camp - came from the direction of the coast - no ranches out there - probably a lookout. That night there was gunfire across the valley and multiple vehicles speeding away on that southerly road. I'm probably lucky to be alive.

At least we now know. Damn shame.


This organized crime, spotters looking for victims, could happen anywhere in baja. Past camping without incident is not indication of future results. Things change, new meth heads created every year…

Just in the past few years the cartels in bcs infiltrated all of the fish coops, local sales of high value seafoods (all forced to cartel-controlled wholesalers). The cartels are all up and down the remote coastal areas,… hard to know where the criminals are now, who is in charge…
Dont know if the locals really share the local knowledge of unsavory stuff happening.
Safety in numbers, and better to camp at established campsites




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[*] posted on 5-17-2024 at 04:21 PM


Three years ago headed south from Bahia Asuncion, I found a nice access trail to a calm stretch of coastline just north of La Bocana. I wasn't there very long before I was visited by a local "vigilancia" to see what I was doing.

It was just me and my dog, and we had no fishing or diving gear, so he wished us a good evening and told me he would be by a few more times that night. He was a very friendly, pleasant person to practice my Spanish with.

He had a radio and I was glad to know there was someone else watching for strange cars.




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[*] posted on 5-18-2024 at 07:23 AM


Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
Three years ago headed south from Bahia Asuncion, I found a nice access trail to a calm stretch of coastline just north of La Bocana. I wasn't there very long before I was visited by a local "vigilancia" to see what I was doing.

It was just me and my dog, and we had no fishing or diving gear, so he wished us a good evening and told me he would be by a few more times that night. He was a very friendly, pleasant person to practice my Spanish with.

He had a radio and I was glad to know there was someone else watching for strange cars.


I wonder how strong the local vigilancia is today? Just down the coast there are cartel-supported shellfish harvesters that fish out of season, exceed limits, etc. do you really think a local vigilancia can object if “poachers” move in and are backed by sicarios?






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[*] posted on 5-19-2024 at 06:41 AM


LOOKING FOR
THE MISSING PEOPLE
OF MEXICO
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/05/08/opinion/mexic...




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[*] posted on 5-19-2024 at 01:35 PM


Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
LOOKING FOR
THE MISSING PEOPLE
OF MEXICO
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/05/08/opinion/mexic...


Consider starting a new thread about disappearances and crime in MX.

You guys are highjacking this thread about 3 surfers who were murdered.




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[*] posted on 5-19-2024 at 05:29 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Lee  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
LOOKING FOR
THE MISSING PEOPLE
OF MEXICO
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/05/08/opinion/mexic...


Consider starting a new thread about disappearances and crime in MX.

You guys are highjacking this thread about 3 surfers who were murdered.


Exactly.

There's nothing more to be said about this tragedy.




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[*] posted on 5-19-2024 at 06:35 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Lee  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
LOOKING FOR
THE MISSING PEOPLE
OF MEXICO
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/05/08/opinion/mexic...


Consider starting a new thread about disappearances and crime in MX.

You guys are highjacking this thread about 3 surfers who were murdered.


Hundreds of thousands of people have disappeared in mexico. The 3 gringos are part of an epidemic. Nothing wrong about expanding the discussion to the put the 3 gringos in perspective of the regional and national issue, of which the 3 gringos are just a few of the many.
The contrast is particularly notable, as the gringos garnered large and rapid response of government/police, and so many of the disappeared are ignored by government/police.

Now that the story of the 3 is largely filled-in, people need to be aware of the local problem (areas being controlled by organized crime, abandoned by police) and how the problem manifests nationwide.




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[*] posted on 6-2-2024 at 09:28 AM


The families of the 3 surfers are lucky that govt looked for them and found them.

In other parts of the country people disappear, the govt does not look for them, and the govt attacks and criticizes the private citizens who look for and find the missing…

Mexican officials again criticize volunteer searcher after she finds more bodies
https://www.yahoo.com/news/mexican-officials-again-criticize...

Mexico’s president accuses press and volunteer searchers for missing people of ‘necrophilia’
https://apnews.com/article/mexico-searching-mothers-disappea...

Mexican govt is so flocked up.



[Edited on 6-2-2024 by mtgoat666]




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[*] posted on 7-12-2024 at 12:10 PM


Additional suspect arrested:

https://apple.news/A4GgeUedrSWe95kV6RwRf2w
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