Care to give Baja Nomad a little something?

Curious;
Does Doug need/want the funds ?
Or is this just a thought of yours, DK ?

But a fundraising party sounds good - go for it !
And post pictures !

I will donate 1 nights camping on the beautifuls shores of Campo Fishbuck to the auction. Okay maybe 2 nights.

Are you saying we should shower Doug with silver and precious stones. No? Then are you suggesting we should buy stuff and give the earned profits or income to Doug?

Hoo...weee! We'll I guess he's got some real loyal folks here. Something fishy about all this!

I'm trying to figure out how much someone would bid for a lobster dinner they might have to drive a minimum of 700 miles, ONE WAY, to collect?

Let's see, the fuel, the lodging there, on the way down and back, the tourist card, the insurance...........carry the 2, divide by 2 dinners...........

You think the bidding would be fast and furious? I'm thinking the Charthouse on my nickel and a 100.00 donation to Doug would be cheaper and more effective.

You see, the problem with this FUN little idea of an auction is that when it is done and Doug gets the proceeds, the expenses of Nomads continue. So, now we organize another one?.........and another? What if future ones do poorly? The expenses still continue.

Donations trickling in here and there when DavidK decides to request it? PULLLEEAAZZE!!!! It's an honorable thing he's doing, but...............

I like the idea of businesses supporting Nomads on a predictable basis with a predictable amount.

Nomads like to support businesses they hear good things about here, right?

San Ignacio B & B, B. A. B & B, all of Graham's books, Baja Cactus Motel, FDT's tours, etc. Problem is; why shouldn't Doug reap some reward for likely increasing sales for these businesses?

How about a BUSINESS membership to Nomads that has an annual fee? Business members are then allowed to promote their services on the boards at will. Heck, some already do, so it's not like it would be a radical difference.

Or maybe create a business directory board where people can pose questions to the owners, make reservations, etc. They can do logos, publish coupons, whatever. Declare the regular boards off limits to business owner's promoting their OWN businesses. Regular members comments and recommendations about businesses would be allowed.

I've seen this model work on other boards....why not here? It's not really re-inventing the wheel.

[Edited on 9-25-2008 by Hook]

So it was not a vast right wing conspiracy as you waxed on about in an previous post. I was half expecting you to mention black helicopters and tinfoil hats causing you problems as well.

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Originally posted by Chris Holmstead So it was not a vast right wing conspiracy as you waxed on about in an previous post. I was half expecting you to mention black helicopters and tinfoil hats causing you problems as well.

I guess that depends on perspectives Chris. Are you a Republican? Pound for pound off-topic yields a heftier product.

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja Quote: Originally posted by Chris Holmstead So it was not a vast right wing conspiracy as you waxed on about in an previous post. I was half expecting you to mention black helicopters and tinfoil hats causing you problems as well. I guess that depends on perspectives Chris. Are you a Republican? Pound for pound off-topic yields a heftier product.

I do not like the off topic as it has no referees.

Really love to drop in and check the thoughts here

So what about a fundraising party? Maybe FDT can help us plan something. At a hotel/motel with a nice garden or something near the border.
Maybe at the campground near La Fonda. That when when I, er... I mean people drink too much beer they can just crash out there.
$2 a beer or margarita and maybe some food too.
A saturday before it gets too cold to camp.
Anyone?

$16/car to camp in the dirt at la fonda! maybe your stuff is there after you wake up the next day....

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Originally posted by woody in ob $16/car to camp in the dirt at la fonda! maybe your stuff is there after you wake up the next day....

Perhaps some day Bernie. Sorry but our place is still beat up from the last flood. I'd like to get it fixed up before I send money to Doug. Priorities I guess.

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Originally posted by Sharksbaja Perhaps some day Bernie. Sorry but our place is still beat up from the last flood. I'd like to get it fixed up before I send money to Doug. Priorities I guess.

Thank you Bernie for your generosity... and don't ever let anyone chase you away... Heck, they have tried to chase me away for years... not going to happen... and why should it?

Viva Baja Bernie

[Edited on 9-26-2008 by David K]

So no fund raising party?

Silent auction... borrring!!!

I guess I'll just mail Doug a dollar.

If Doug charged money for this site, half the members would quit as they are so cheap.

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Originally posted by vandenberg Most likely ..so will most all of us. However... like to hear some input from the upper command on this issue. Fact: If 80% of current members would contribute the tiny sum of $5.00 a year, it would generate the tidy sum of around $ 32.000.00. Nothing to sneeze at. Seen years my income didn't increase like that.

Don't be putting your calculator away just yet Vandenberg

There are 97 pages of members, 50 entries per page.
(Accuracy Police: All numbers are approximate!)

53 of those pages have posted 1 or more times; there are MANY MANY pages of >5 posts
- 10 pages with greater than 50 posts
- 4 pages with 25-49 posts
- 31 pages with 1-10 posts
- 44 pages with ZERO post members
- 18 banned ex-members (who I sincerely doubt would be willing to chip in to the kitty)

The stats page shows that only 52.8% of members have ever posted.

So according my decidedly non-scientific very fast calculations, it's looking like you'd have to settle for a raise of around $11,500 a year!

THEN, of course, you'd have to take a pay cut due to the members who would leave or become lurkers because they wouldn't be willing or able to afford paying an annual fee.

dk continues to refuse to acknowledge the salient FACT that NOT all members are in a position of renewable income; some are actually retired, living on a fixed income & don't have the luxury of tossing money out hand-over-fist like he does. I'm tired of continuously being called cheap because I don't fall into the income or travel pattern dk does.

Like several others, I find it very interesting that Doug's condoned or sent dk out on a "fishing trip" to see what kind of nibbles this idea would reel in, while remaining silent.

The only way I'd consider paying minimal annual fee would be if Doug were to use it in it's entirety to hire one of more full-time moderators to get this site back to the relative sanity & pleasant place it was prior to Hose A's resignation. IMO, the condition of the site makes it abundantly clear that Doug doesn't have the time to devote to the site to keep posts with the board rules, let alone deal with whoever fulano/Nobullchit/tsgarcia69/sanluquena/Coatlallope/tio_foncho/goodfriend/wetbobo/ DR.EVIL13 is (is vs are, because I believe it's just one person!)

NEW PROPOSAL: How about the heaviest posters pay a post fee since they're using more of the site?? Let's say anyone with over, oh say, 6,300 posts.

Either there are some hiding or you missed them.

Jee Wiz! Let's get rid of the riff-raff. You know, all those free-loaders that just clutter-up the forum with unwanted, possibly negative opinions that might detract from a Casa for Sale/ Rental/ Fishing Charter/ book etc. They won't pay the fee. Good riddance to all those cheapos.

I say keep some areas public and make a members area that is private. Pay to get in there and those who can't pay can still participate in the public area. That would solve several of the problems and make the moderating easier as you would mainly only have to focus on a few areas in the public forum. Trolls would crash under their own weight as they would just be talking to themselves mostly. If it is the same person as longlegs suggests (and many believe), it might be fun to just watch how they carry on a conversation by themself???

I asked Doug for an address where members could send contributions, donations, tips for good service (whatever you want to call it)... and he gave me the link I posted above.

Frankly, if you think there is no cost or value to maintain this site, then why waste your time here? I find it the most valuable of all the Internet Baja web sites... because it is live interaction with people who have just returned from Baja or who are in Baja right now... and in far greater numbers in one or two days than the other Baja forums see all year!

Carlos Fiesta has a great Baja info web site and I have always maintained a link to it on VivaBaja.com... I wrote the brief Baja Missions page on his site many years ago. Carlos has also attended my Viva Baja events and only missed the last one because he was in the middle of a real estate deal that day... Carlos Fiesta's web site is http://BajaExpo.com However, Carlos' site is not a forum and is not constantly updated by viewers.

You guys can debate between yourselves all you want about why I am promoting Baja Nomad and not Doug, himself... I did explain why in the beginning...

You all know that I am the Nomad with the highest number of posts... for two reasons, I am the longest active registered Nomad online after Doug and I enjoy sharing my Baja trips and history with fellow Baja nuts... as well as enjoy interacting with you guys...

I support Doug the best I can as a friend and Nomad... There is nothing more to it than that. You either would like to give a tip to thank the web site or not, no big deal... either do it or don't, but would you please stop all the whining about not doing it. If you don't have anything nice to say then why spend so much energy finding fault with my suggestion?

PS Hook is right, my Baja trips are all low budget, simple tent camping trips with an occaisional luxury stay at Baja Cactus for $35 a night!!! You who think I have money to burn, don't look at my trip pages to see how I like the simple stuff. The biggest investment is the Tacoma payments because it is an oustanding, reliable Baja 4WD vehicle... I cannot even consider leasing a lot or investing in Baja, like so many of my friends at Camp Gecko or other places have tried to get me to do... My irrigation installations pay just enough for our Baja time outs!

DK, according to profile stats, you alone are responsible for over 5 percent (>1/20) of all posts on the board -- maybe you should pay for 5 percent of operating costs? How about a pay-per-post plan to cut down on clutter like pics of peoples pets and repetetive trip log posts?

yes! but only if you talk to yourself.

edit: and leave the biting dolphins out of the discussion.

[Edited on 9-27-2008 by woody in ob]

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Originally posted by mtgoat666 Quote: Originally posted by David K You all know that I am the Nomad with the highest number of posts... for two reasons, I am the longest active registered Nomad online after Doug and I enjoy sharing my Baja trips and history with fellow Baja nuts... as well as enjoy interacting with you guys... DK, according to profile stats, you alone are responsible for over 5 percent (>1/20) of all posts on the board -- maybe you should pay for 5 percent of operating costs? How about a pay-per-post plan to cut down on clutter like pics of peoples pets and repetetive trip log posts?

I would NOT ask others to do what I have not already done, my friend... How about people who make posts containing un-nice comments, or repeating the same false statements even after presented with facts pay DOUBLE?

[Edited on 9-27-2008 by David K]

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Originally posted by mtgoat666 How about a pay-per-post plan to cut down on clutter like pics of peoples pets and repetetive trip log posts?

Hey,
You leave my pussy out of it.

I this - I that

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Originally posted by David K I asked Doug for an address where members could send contributions, donations, tips for good service (whatever you want to call it)... and he gave me the link I posted above. Frankly, if you think there is no cost or value to maintain this site, then why waste your time here? I find it the most valuable of all the Internet Baja web sites... because it is live interaction with people who have just returned from Baja or who are in Baja right now... and in far greater numbers in one or two days than the other Baja forums see all year! Carlos Fiesta has a great Baja info web site and I have always maintained a link to it on VivaBaja.com... I wrote the brief Baja Missions page on his site many years ago. Carlos has also attended my Viva Baja events and only missed the last one because he was in the middle of a real estate deal that day... Carlos Fiesta's web site is http://BajaExpo.com However, Carlos' site is not a forum and is not constantly updated by viewers. You guys can debate between yourselves all you want about why I am promoting Baja Nomad and not Doug, himself... I did explain why in the beginning... You all know that I am the Nomad with the highest number of posts... for two reasons, I am the longest active registered Nomad online after Doug and I enjoy sharing my Baja trips and history with fellow Baja nuts... as well as enjoy interacting with you guys... I support Doug the best I can as a friend and Nomad... There is nothing more to it than that. You either would like to give a tip to thank the web site or not, no big deal... either do it or don't, but would you please stop all the whining about not doing it. If you don't have anything nice to say then why spend so much energy finding fault with my suggestion? PS Hook is right, my Baja trips are all low budget, simple tent camping trips with an occaisional luxury stay at Baja Cactus for $35 a night!!! You who think I have money to burn, don't look at my trip pages to see how I like the simple stuff. The biggest investment is the Tacoma payments because it is an oustanding, reliable Baja 4WD vehicle... I cannot even consider leasing a lot or investing in Baja, like so many of my friends at Camp Gecko or other places have tried to get me to do... My irrigation installations pay just enough for our Baja time outs!

Eye don't know?

Ooohhh!!! Now I "get it".

Hey David K can you post a few photos of some old pile of rocks that use to be something a long time ago but know nobody knows what it is and you are probably the only person on planet earth who knows where it is or has even seen in it the last 200 years. ("This use to be the outhouse for the Mission San Boring")

Those photos are just soo interesting.

Just kidding.

Okay everybody pay up!!!!

Ah, here's the DavidK I've come to know through this forum.

..."hater".... "shut up" ... your words, David, not mine.

You seem to have no idea that one or two posts count as suggestions, the rest are either badgering folks for money or defensive.

So long as we're having this discourse, I'd like a direct answer from you.... yes or no. Did Doug ask you and/or did he tell you he openly condones your requesting operational funds for this site? Like I said, yes or no.

I'm asking, because I wrote him and assured him that if he needs or wants funds that of course I'm happy to contribute. Just let me know. So far I've had no response. And generally Doug responds to my queries.

Nena

We conservatives?

and the rest of us are what exactly? Liberals? Do you think there are only two types of folks out there?

How.......................... Fox news of you!


I think you bit off a lot asking for dough w/o qualifying it first.

Chime !!!

As I recently told Nena;
In an effort to remain calm, I have been practicing aroma therapy.
I don't think it works but it smells really good !
Is your room spinning too ?
.

I have. I'm not reading it now either.

I HOPE THAT JR PAYS A VISIT TONIGHT TO ONE OR MORE OF YOU IN HERE AND PULLS YOUR FEET FROM UNDER THE COVERS AND SCARES THE BEJESUS OUT OF YOU!

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Originally posted by David K Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 Quote: Originally posted by David K You all know that I am the Nomad with the highest number of posts... for two reasons, I am the longest active registered Nomad online after Doug and I enjoy sharing my Baja trips and history with fellow Baja nuts... as well as enjoy interacting with you guys... DK, according to profile stats, you alone are responsible for over 5 percent (>1/20) of all posts on the board -- maybe you should pay for 5 percent of operating costs? How about a pay-per-post plan to cut down on clutter like pics of peoples pets and repetetive trip log posts? I would NOT ask others to do what I have not already done, my friend... How about people who make posts containing un-nice comments, or repeating the same false statements even after presented with facts pay DOUBLE? [Edited on 9-27-2008 by David K]

Time to put this one down,
..

Baja gringo nailed it. have a members only section of the site with password access just like BBP does.
so, there are sections all of the public can see, use, and there are sections only dues paying members can use. simple really.

and yet............Doug Means continues to voice silence here. is he embarrased by all this or is he following the "baja way"?

i'd gladly enjoy the free section. Don't look for any donations from me tho regards a pay per view section - unless it has pictures of Vandenburg's pussy.....er, i mean cat.



Bucky - quit reading this, you'll go BLIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, noooooooo, please no, this is WAY too much fun!

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Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz Quote: The travel comment in no way referred to the mode or style of travel, it was to point out again that many Nomads live here year-round & permanently; a salient point that dk refuses to GET. The majority of his posts refer to people who vacation here & go back to the states to earn more money to refill their travel coffers. There are a lot of Nomads who live in Baja full time & for whom money is not a renewable, nor a plentiful resource. It gets real old...to me...to be constantly "measured" by a ruler made in dk's image & constantly coming up short because not everyone happens to fit his mold of all Nomads being travelers. The having money to throw around comment was a separate issue driven by dk's comments in the 2 "Dollars for Doug" threads simultaneously going here at the moment, as well as many posts he's made in the past about his generosity in tipping everyone from gas station attendants, to food servers, to grocery clerks. Not all enjoy his level of income. IMO, it would be a really refreshing change for an occasional acknowledgment that all Nomads are not cast in his self-image. I believe that Nomad members are a unique & diverse group of individuals with uniques thoughts, feelings, experiences, interests, lifestyles; some shared; but we do not all measure up to dk's ruler, nor SHOULD we. Finally, at the risk of redundancy, I believe it's time for Doug to chime in here with some facts to establish some credibility to all these conjectures. Sorry, I got in the box. From CaboRon , Thank you for putting into words feelings that I have felt about David K's cheerleader posts. I many times get the feeling that everything seems aimed to the part-time and vacationing Nomads. There is definately a mindset difference for those of us way down here in Baja California Sur CaboRon [Edited on 9-27-2008 by CaboRon]

Guess I had better get more popcorn for this one

Long legs in La Paz and Cabo Ron... I too sometimes have 'selective reading' issues, but I did write this earlier in this fun filled thread (you missed?):

"Frankly, if you think there is no cost or value to maintain this site, then why waste your time here? I find it the most valuable of all the Internet Baja web sites... because it is live interaction with people who have just returned from Baja or who are in Baja right now... and in far greater numbers in one or two days than the other Baja forums see all year!"

>>> The part that says '...or who are in Baja right now...' is refering to you guys who live full or part time in Baja.

Now, for a lot of you: shame on you! You use or abuse this site and then complain when a member SUGGESTS voluntary contributions be mailed in, IF you would like to TIP the host for his hard work and EXPENSE to provide a forum for all of us to SHARE Baja experiences and information.

In the voice of Gomer Pyle: SHAME SHAME SHAME!

For those of you who have u2u'd me support for my action, many thanks... Having a lot to share about Baja shouldn't make those who share less jealous... I am not competing with you. I suggest you just enjoy what is offered on Nomad or move to a different thread. Taking all the time to bad mouth me or my style is just so childish and adds NOTHING to help other Baja travelers (or residents)!

Bernie says Nomad is about 'People Helping People'... What I am trying to do, and hope other Nomads do as well.

THIS IS NOT FOR DAVID K.

now that's funny right there i don't care who you are!

Our youngest cat looks at me and I know that is what she is thinking sometimes...

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Now, for a lot of you: shame on you! You use or abuse this site and then complain when a member SUGGESTS voluntary contributions be mailed in, IF you would like to TIP the host for his hard work and EXPENSE to provide a forum for all of us to SHARE Baja experiences and information. In the voice of Gomer Pyle: SHAME SHAME SHAME!

You couldn't be further from the truth in YOUR OPINION that I'm speaking from a position of jealousy. I've yet to read anything in your posts for me to be jealous of. Childish? Stating my thoughts/feelings/OPINIONS is childish? Did you actually say that with a straight face?

Wise words from Bernie.......you "hope other Nomads do as well" David, what planet are you living on? Have you missed the point of this entire site? According to that logic, you only acknowledge your own input as having any value. Wake up & smell the coffee! This is not "the DK site", there are a lot of fine & generous people here who give of their time, knowledge, experience in many ways....for you to belittle someone or their actions because you may not be personally aware of it is the height of hypocrisy! I've personally helped a lot of Nomads off-line, and I know many, many others who have as well. Because I/they choose to do it out of the public eye for varying reasons, does NOT make my/their value to Baja Nomad any less than yours because you choose to publicize all your good deeds.

David, before you blast off a whiny response, please do at least you & I a favor....get off your high horse & reread my words several times to see if you and find ANY grains of personal truth in them. Before you classify this as just another "personal attack"...is the phrase constructive criticism in your vocabulary?

Do you want to do a quantity comparison of how many U2U's we each received in favor of our individual posts?

It's not? His post count suggests otherwise. Possession (bloviation) is 9/10s of the law

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Originally posted by mtgoat666 Quote: Originally posted by longlegsinlapaz This is not "the DK site", It's not? His post count suggests otherwise. Possession (bloviation) is 9/10s of the law

Words, in this case, shout it out .....