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Land of the Free?

LancairDriver - 6-8-2009 at 01:24 PM

Land of the Free?

A pilot and retired military officer who has a residence in Loreto and frequently flies down to Baja from Long Beach, CA recently had an unbelievable experience with CBP and Long Beach Airport police. As he was preparing to depart Long Beach with 3 passengers on a flight to Loreto which had previously been approved as required by CBP under the "new" eApis registration system, he found himself surrounded by flashing red lights and automatic weapons pointed at him and his passengers. They were ordered out of the plane with their hands behind their heads. After a brutal shakedown of 45 to 50 minutes they were released and told it was a "routine" random check. See details on the following link and listen to the podcast also. This is another step in what is in the future for all of us if it is allowed to continue. There are several similar incidents in which the details are emerging in Santa Ana as well as Long Beach.

http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1390-full.html...

DENNIS - 6-8-2009 at 01:29 PM

It would seem that Jack-Booted Thugery has become the norm. What a sick freakin shame.

capt. mike - 6-8-2009 at 01:30 PM

disgusting Geo.
i have been waiting for Jefe Jack's report on BBP and know you have followed the action over there too.
this is where we are headed unless something is done.

now with eAPIS comes all sorts of fun stuff.....the donkey's head is out of the barn ...here comes the rest of the a$$.......:?::fire::mad::no:

Freedom

tehag - 6-8-2009 at 02:15 PM

Those willing to sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither.

Paraphrased from a quote by somebody.

Skeet/Loreto - 6-8-2009 at 02:26 PM

Lancdiver:

Please explain "The brutal shakedown", I did not see or hear any evidence of this.

Do you have other evidence of Brutality??

Thank you

Skeet/Loreto

mtgoat666 - 6-8-2009 at 02:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by LancairDriver
Land of the Free?



It's a tough call. Seems many call for tougher borders, except when it affects them.
I have been treated rudely by border patrol and customs, and just take it as par for the course.
Been approached by Coast Guard boats with lights ablaze and men on 50-cal machine guns. Then they board your boat carrying auto weapons.
Been pulled over by cops with lights flashinjg and hands on holstered weapon.
Been pulled to secondary border inspection and subject to search.

Bajahowodd - 6-8-2009 at 02:35 PM

I guess much of it depends on your understanding of the definition of brutality. One thing is for certain, it was obviously an unnecessary show of force.

LancairDriver - 6-8-2009 at 02:44 PM

Skeet- I call a thug pointing an automatic weapon at me and screaming hysterically as is the mode the cops these days operate in, "brutallity". If you feel comfortable having one of these lowlifes pointing an automatic weapon at you good luck.

gnukid - 6-8-2009 at 02:59 PM

Why this type of behavior is orchestrated: Order from Chaos.

Organizational groups which lead US and World Policy, namely Council on Foreign Relations led by David Rockefellar has long planned and is now executing their plan toward Global Government, the North American Union.

This is part of setup. The local police are increasing being trained that US Americans are the next terrorists and those with ties to foreign countries especially so. You see it everyday, local police are using excessive and unreasonable force to do their jobs and in doing so attracting attention.

Soon, or already, their actions are causing a reaction and one day retaliation. Once begun it will be a flood. The people will be directly confronted by the overt unreasonable attacks and will act accordingly to respond to unwarranted and unreasonable aggression by local militia. In response to vast chaos, a solution will be provided. The solution will come in the form of new policies and a complete reorganization.

The new organization will be the North American Union, more open borders like in the EU and North American police and military (already in agreed on and in training).

So, unfortunately while this is obvious to the victims, and even some police and militia may refuse to participate, many will follow the training and attack and mistreat their own populations as the perceived enemy.

This is well documented in policy documents. Now you are witnessing publicized examples of over-zealous and ineffective police from Alaska to Cabo.

It's theorized in policy that a fnwo (fake new world order aka jack booted idiotic thugs) attacks Public, rnwo (Real New World Order aka NAU) comes to the rescue and is welcomed by Public welcoming the NAU.

The solution is do not fall victim to the ploy, ignore them, document it, but move on. If you are drawn into the battle you will lose and NAU wins. If you ignore it they lose their power in the game. Be aware its going down very quickly.

Here David Rockefellar congratulates Cheney at the CFR for forwarding the NAFTA/NAU plan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbnpN07J_zg

Keep in mind, there have been almost no cases of any terrorists prosecuted with any real evidence anywhere-even in 9/11, even in Iraq and Afghanistan, except the cases of terrorism as torture of US prisoners and US black operations conducting targeted assassinations, false flag attacks and bioterror such as Anthrax which admittedly came from Government offices.


Reminder, this isn't liberal vs conservative, it isnt about young vs old or men against women. Its about seeing your community as your local team and your neighbor as someone you need to work with and and depend on. Get involved locally, be self-sufficient and do not play into this attack on the USA and our tradition of lawful behavior. Be peaceful.

mtgoat666 - 6-8-2009 at 03:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
Why this type of behavior is orchestrated: Order from Chaos.

Organizational groups which lead US and World Policy, namely Council on Foreign Relations led by David Rockefellar has long planned and is now executing their plan toward Global Government, the North American Union.

This is part of setup. The local police are increasing being trained that US Americans are the next terrorists and those with ties to foreign countries especially so. You see it everyday, local police are using excessive and unreasonable force to do their jobs and in doing so attracting attention.

Soon, or already, their actions are causing a reaction and one day retaliation. Once begun it will be a flood. The people will be directly confronted by the overt unreasonable attacks and will act accordingly to respond to unwarranted and unreasonable aggression by local militia. In response to vast chaos, a solution will be provided. The solution will come in the form of new policies and a complete reorganization.

The new organization will be the North American Union, more open borders like in the EU and North American police and military (already in agreed on and in training).

So, unfortunately while this is obvious to the victims, and even some police and militia may refuse to participate, many will follow the training and attack and mistreat their own populations as the perceived enemy.

This is well documented in policy documents. Now you are witnessing publicized examples of over-zealous and ineffective police from Alaska to Cabo.

It's theorized in policy that a fnwo (fake new world order aka jack booted idiotic thugs) attacks Public, rnwo (Real New World Order aka NAU) comes to the rescue and is welcomed by Public welcoming the NAU.

The solution is do not fall victim to the ploy, ignore them, document it, but move on. If you are drawn into the battle you will lose and NAU wins. If you ignore it they lose their power in the game. Be aware its going down very quickly.

Here David Rockefellar congratulates Cheney at the CFR for forwarding the NAFTA/NAU plan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbnpN07J_zg

Keep in mind, there have been almost no cases of any terrorists prosecuted with any real evidence anywhere-even in 9/11, even in Iraq and Afghanistan, except the cases of terrorism as torture of US prisoners and US black operations conducting targeted assassinations, false flag attacks and bioterror such as Anthrax which admittedly came from Government offices.


Reminder, this isn't liberal vs conservative, it isnt about young vs old or men against women. Its about seeing your community as your local team and your neighbor as someone you need to work with and and depend on. Get involved locally, be self-sufficient and do not play into this attack on the USA and our tradition of lawful behavior. Be peaceful.


nu-kid,
love your conspiracy theory. the world is full of conspiracies, we will never know how many or their details, but sure is useful to theorize :bounce:
btw, the sheeple on this forum are about to tell you you are fruit loops :tumble:

Bajahowodd - 6-8-2009 at 03:09 PM

Not me. But I know what you're saying, goat.:o

gnukid - 6-8-2009 at 03:20 PM

You mean a conspiracy like a conspiracy to kill president Lincoln? or a conspiracy to kill President Kennedy and cover-up the investigation? A conspiracy to overthrow the Gov of Iran as Obama just admitted the US government was responsible for in 1953?

Or maybe a conspiracy to fund Hitler as Prescott Bush was prosecuted and guilty of a felony for? Or A conspiracy to assassinate Reagan? Or a conspiracy to fund both sides of the civil war by the King of England or.... how about a conspiracy to lie to the American people and falsify a threat from Iraq to justify an invasion? Perhaps a conspiracy to suggest a connection between 9/11 and Saddam, or claim he planned to use WMD and he had uranium from Niger and then discredit anyone including CIA agents who had evidence otherwise like Valerie Plame and her husband Joe Wilson an ambassador and former CIA. Even if meant some conspirators would go to jail namely Scooter Libby.

If you see a pattern here you win a prize.

Wow, how can it be I can name a list of government conspiracies to cause vast harm and these are in the public consciousness without even blinking, it's well documented yet there are vast deniers of common sense discourse? And gosh oh golly it could never happen again, could it?

Perhaps the real enemy is not your neighbor, the possible terrorist, but instead those that would seek to discredit the truth?

Aha!




[Edited on 6-8-2009 by gnukid]

gnukid - 6-8-2009 at 03:25 PM

FYI as you know I didn't make up the theory I reported, nor did I make up the short list of conspiracies. These are documented and are fairly well known and obvious at this point.

I am actually just a peaceful kid who likes to read. So if you have any better ideas, and you can back it up, let it rip. I am all ears.

Funny How I always link to the facts and its always backed up? And the others who attack me have nothing but insults and no facts. Weird or coincidence?

DanO - 6-8-2009 at 03:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
btw, the sheeple on this forum are about to tell you you are fruit loops :tumble:


Nah. Boo Berry.

Cypress - 6-8-2009 at 03:31 PM

Land of the free, only if you don't pay taxes.:lol:

gnukid - 6-8-2009 at 03:42 PM

Think of the world like Hogan's heros or any other tv show. There is a plot line, its not just a big accident, there are many people pulling strings, many tricks and in the end things are not at all how they seem. The point is, the unreasonable behavior exhibited is not happening by accident. The replies from the peanut gallery are not happening by accident.

Yes Virginia, they are sheeple, they do follow simple plots lines, yes the sheepl do suspend reasonable disbelief and they do imagine a simple world.

The truth is the USA has the most vast government and military in the world. Our military and its budget is more vast than all militaries combined.

The black operations budget alone is so huge it would boggle your mind. Everyday the actions are described and reported but most prefer to ignore it.

Did you hear Cheney said recently the USA has already developed bioweapons technology to target people by race, plants and animals by DNA and now they insist on taking your DNA (in order to map) and Obama says soon will be a series of mandatory vaccinations??? The WHO is expected to declare level 6 emergency in coming days?

Ding ding ding helllo WE NEED SKEET, help.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/artic...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=96...

mtgoat666 - 6-8-2009 at 04:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
You mean a conspiracy like a conspiracy to kill president Lincoln? or a conspiracy to kill President Kennedy and cover-up the investigation? A conspiracy to overthrow the Gov of Iran as Obama just admitted the US government was responsible for in 1953?

Or maybe a conspiracy to fund Hitler as Prescott Bush was prosecuted and guilty of a felony for? Or A conspiracy to assassinate Reagan? Or a conspiracy to fund both sides of the civil war by the King of England or.... how about a conspiracy to lie to the American people and falsify a threat from Iraq to justify an invasion? Perhaps a conspiracy to suggest a connection between 9/11 and Saddam, or claim he planned to use WMD and he had uranium from Niger and then discredit anyone including CIA agents who had evidence otherwise like Valerie Plame and her husband Joe Wilson an ambassador and former CIA. Even if meant some conspirators would go to jail namely Scooter Libby.

If you see a pattern here you win a prize.

Wow, how can it be I can name a list of government conspiracies to cause vast harm and these are in the public consciousness without even blinking, it's well documented yet there are vast deniers of common sense discourse? And gosh oh golly it could never happen again, could it?

Perhaps the real enemy is not your neighbor, the possible terrorist, but instead those that would seek to discredit the truth?

Aha!



i wasn't criticizing your theory.

our government is not a democracy, the government is run by puppet masters for the benefit of puppet masters.

jury has convicted bush. jury is still out on obamma.

yes we can!

yes we can be fooled again!

skeet!!!!!! go to AVWeb and listen

capt. mike - 6-8-2009 at 04:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Lancdiver:

Please explain "The brutal shakedown", I did not see or hear any evidence of this.

Do you have other evidence of Brutality??

Thank you

Skeet/Loreto


to the taped interview with the pilot - he is most credible.
after the 8 minute interview my blood was .....well hot!

Don Alley - 6-8-2009 at 04:36 PM

Wow. The audio interview was pretty scary.

gnukid - 6-8-2009 at 05:31 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666

i wasn't criticizing your theory.

our government is not a democracy, the government is run by puppet masters for the benefit of puppet masters.

jury has convicted bush. jury is still out on obamma.

yes we can!

yes we can be fooled again!


CFR theoretical planning documents are public.

http://www.cfr.org/issue/23/global_governance.html

Here's Michael Hayden Deputy Dir. National Intelligence declares there is no requirement for probable cause for suspicion in search and seizure contrary to the 4th amendment to the constitution?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGhcECnWRGM&feature=relat...

[Edited on 6-9-2009 by gnukid]

BajaGringo - 6-8-2009 at 09:45 PM

Here is a related thread that was just started:

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=39156

Sounds like the CBP has an expanding program going on. I know what it's like to be on the receiving end of this kind of deal and if you haven't experienced it personally you will have a hard time understanding how abusive it really can feel. There is some out of control behavior on the part of some of these field agents with what appears to be little oversight / supervision.

I guess they are just writing their own rules for probable cause. It will probably take a shooting death of some poor sap subjected to one of these stops before anything is really done about it.

rpleger - 6-9-2009 at 10:27 AM

I have become a real fan of GNUKID...keep it up

Skeet/Loreto - 6-9-2009 at 02:43 PM

I will agree that the interviewer was a little "Direct"

Now is there any Poster who would have been "Scared" if this had happened to them??

We do not know what led to this "hassle", which I do not think was Brutal.
It was a Hazzle, but what caused this, Was there a Report that there might be a Known Drug Operative that was going to board this Aircraft trying to escape??

I did not see anyone Hit by a Swat Member--Did I miss something??

Things like this Happen but not as a Conspirecy a to formet a Revolution!

With all the Police Officer has to deal with today as a result of the Restrictions put on him by the Left Liberal Judges, it is no wonder they get Frustated.

If you are not Guilty, Why should you be Offended by an Offensive Police Man?? Are you Scared, are you Gulity or feeling Guilty about the Past where you "Got Away with it"

Gnudik_ I think the information you Post is ell written but is a "The Sky is Falling type of thing" I have lived in this Great County for 78 years, Been around, and done a few things. Yes we are in a time when about Half of our Young Generation have become so Weak Minded and Scared that they cannot think in a "Common Sense" Manner. They never developed Common Sense as they were to busy punching the Cell Phone and not learning or paying attention to what is happening around them.

In other words we have created a Generation of "Dummies" who must have the Govt. or someone else take care of them, and yes it could turn into more trouble, but I have confidence that the "Good People" of this Country will put a stop to it when it gets to Bad.

Most of this Theory put forth has no Substance it is only Theory and Words--No basis of FACT

We shall Survive and even stronger than we where before the Weak Minded tried to steal our Country!!

Skeet

Gadget - 6-9-2009 at 02:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by mtgoat666
Quote:
Originally posted by gnukid
Why this type of behavior is orchestrated: Order from Chaos.

Organizational groups which lead US and World Policy, namely Council on Foreign Relations led by David Rockefellar has long planned and is now executing their plan toward Global Government, the North American Union.

This is part of setup. The local police are increasing being trained that US Americans are the next terrorists and those with ties to foreign countries especially so. You see it everyday, local police are using excessive and unreasonable force to do their jobs and in doing so attracting attention.

Soon, or already, their actions are causing a reaction and one day retaliation. Once begun it will be a flood. The people will be directly confronted by the overt unreasonable attacks and will act accordingly to respond to unwarranted and unreasonable aggression by local militia. In response to vast chaos, a solution will be provided. The solution will come in the form of new policies and a complete reorganization.

The new organization will be the North American Union, more open borders like in the EU and North American police and military (already in agreed on and in training).

So, unfortunately while this is obvious to the victims, and even some police and militia may refuse to participate, many will follow the training and attack and mistreat their own populations as the perceived enemy.

This is well documented in policy documents. Now you are witnessing publicized examples of over-zealous and ineffective police from Alaska to Cabo.

It's theorized in policy that a fnwo (fake new world order aka jack booted idiotic thugs) attacks Public, rnwo (Real New World Order aka NAU) comes to the rescue and is welcomed by Public welcoming the NAU.

The solution is do not fall victim to the ploy, ignore them, document it, but move on. If you are drawn into the battle you will lose and NAU wins. If you ignore it they lose their power in the game. Be aware its going down very quickly.

Here David Rockefellar congratulates Cheney at the CFR for forwarding the NAFTA/NAU plan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbnpN07J_zg

Keep in mind, there have been almost no cases of any terrorists prosecuted with any real evidence anywhere-even in 9/11, even in Iraq and Afghanistan, except the cases of terrorism as torture of US prisoners and US black operations conducting targeted assassinations, false flag attacks and bioterror such as Anthrax which admittedly came from Government offices.


Reminder, this isn't liberal vs conservative, it isnt about young vs old or men against women. Its about seeing your community as your local team and your neighbor as someone you need to work with and and depend on. Get involved locally, be self-sufficient and do not play into this attack on the USA and our tradition of lawful behavior. Be peaceful.


nu-kid,
love your conspiracy theory. the world is full of conspiracies, we will never know how many or their details, but sure is useful to theorize :bounce:
btw, the sheeple on this forum are about to tell you you are fruit loops :tumble:


Yeah, you rock mt, you tell em to shut up and not pick on us.
I've always been looking for my soul brother that I can truely talk to about how "they" have used Ludens Cough Drops as tracking devices for decades. I've been so scared to come out with this fact openly but you my brother have given me the strenth, nay my friend, the empowerment to finally speak out.
Bless your soul :!::!::!:

gnukid - 6-9-2009 at 08:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto

...

Gnudik_ I think the information you Post is ell written but is a "The Sky is Falling type of thing" I have lived in this Great County for 78 years, Been around, and done a few things. Yes we are in a time when about Half of our Young Generation have become so Weak Minded and Scared that they cannot think in a "Common Sense" Manner. They never developed Common Sense as they were to busy punching the Cell Phone and not learning or paying attention to what is happening around them.

In other words we have created a Generation of "Dummies" who must have the Govt. or someone else take care of them, and yes it could turn into more trouble, but I have confidence that the "Good People" of this Country will put a stop to it when it gets to Bad.

Most of this Theory put forth has no Substance it is only Theory and Words--No basis of FACT

We shall Survive and even stronger than we where before the Weak Minded tried to steal our Country!!

Skeet


I knew we could count on SKEET for common sense and words of reason. Its true if more had your mindset we would be in better situation.

I couldn't agree with you more.

As for facts related to this discussion about the heavy handed militia tactics used upon these Americans, there are obvious question related to the known facts, for example, why would our borders be wide open allowing 20 million undocumented illegal aliens to live and work in the US? Yet the DHS drew weapons on 3 documented Americans under no suspicion?

If they wanted to address illegal undocumented border crossings and possible terrorists, why not give the Border Patrol the resources to their job on the border, instead there are Border Patrol now under Dept Homeland Security well within the US stopping only Americans, while 20 million illegals drive without a driver's license, without current registration, without insurance and they are left to pass unharrassed.

There must be a strategy here and it isn't to stop illegal aliens nor is it to prosecute terrorists or they would do so? They haven't?

So what's your theory?

There have been no terrorists prosecuted? A handful have given guilty confessions (without trial) after nearly 7 seven years of solitary, sleep deprivation and torture. No attacks since the unsolved and unprosecuted attack on 9/11? Yet we are subject to constant media threat of terrorism?

Why is Cheney is on TV now more than ever to justify torture of people who have no charges?

No of this is common sense?


: I have mentioned the CFR's plan North American Union, Secure Prosperity Pact and Global Governance documents which are public policy documents signed by our governments leaders in private agreements though not in public discourse.

Their strategy is outlined clearly, and its been used over and over for centuries, create chaos, get A to attack B, defend B, bring on new policy.

Odd doncha think?

There is confusion, there are those who say these agreements do not exist, and there are those who say they do. However, these are widely published US Policy documents.

What's going on? SKEET Help?

gnukid - 6-9-2009 at 09:20 PM

Today begins the international conference Adapting to the New World Order in Montreal

http://www.conferencedemontreal.com/fileadmin/pdf/2009/Progr...

Recently announced the Secure Prosperity Pact has been reorganized as the Public Private Partnership for Infrastructure

SPP
http://www.spp.gov/

Public Private Partnership for Infrastructure
http://info.worldbank.org/etools/PPPI-Portal/

Consolidation of Private World Banking and Population Control and Reduction are stated goals.

gnukid - 6-9-2009 at 10:03 PM

The elephant in the room is the budget.

The US has passed a 3.6 trillion federal budget which is about 1/3 of our National GDP. Add on to that state budget for example:

Obama keeps adding on to mysterious secretive bailouts while job losses rise?

Obama is spending more than we are making at fast clip. Why?

The debt is rising fast, with interest. Taxes are rising along with a new proposed tax.

http://foundry.heritage.org/2009/03/17/the-14-trillion-obama...

A Cap and Trade carbon tax would add more tax and more debt and reduce our productivity. Why?

Today, already Obama announced we are out of money. Why?

http://www.drudge.com/news/121321/obama-we-out-money

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGo83FofDhU

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-amazing-trillion-...

http://www.openmarket.org/2009/03/20/obama-budget-explodes-d...

Consumer debt is rising to more than 14 trillion. Why?

http://247wallst.com/2008/11/14/how-does-14-tri/

The bailout has topped 8 trillion
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16620.html

While the fed has approved actually 14 trillion in bailouts?

http://www.alternet.org/workplace/107000/wall_street's_bailout_is_a_trillion-dollar_crime_scene_--_why_aren't_the_dems_doing_something_about_it_/

More hidden debts
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a...

Its quite clear to anyone willing to look at the numbers that we/they are bankrupting our economy at a rate so fast its mind boggling.

SKEET Help?


[Edited on 6-10-2009 by gnukid]

Bajaboy - 6-9-2009 at 10:13 PM

So what does this have to do with Baja Politics?

Skeet/Loreto - 6-10-2009 at 05:37 AM

Gnukid: It is apparent that you beleive all that you read on the Spinning Internet. Too Bad. You should use your talent for more Posivite things.

Houston Texas NOW!! \3rd largest city in the Country- Economy is good--People are working, Building more stores and opening Business.
A very diverse area, excellent Schools all things Positive-


Producing instead of doing nothing for your Country but "Talking on the Internet".

Running down the Country, blaming GWB and Cheny for everything !

How DUMB can you get. Blame does not do anything. Go out and do somethin, shut your Mouth about Blaming other Folks, It is a Waste of Time, it is not produing anything!!!

Theory: Global Warming
Sea of Cortez is Ruined

CaboRon - 6-11-2009 at 07:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
So what does this have to do with Baja Politics?


NOTHING :lol::lol: