can anyone of you please post images of the pre pavement AAA map ?
Trying to reconstruct the first Baja 1000 courses following the previous "road"David K - 2-5-2015 at 09:25 AM
can anyone of you please post images of the pre pavement AAA map ?
Trying to reconstruct the first Baja 1000 courses following the previous "road"
When I get home tonight, I will post the full length NORRA Mexican 1000 (once I find it)... Here is a section of the 1960's AAA map (the line drawn is
the route of our 1966 trip:
Here is the NORRA Baja 500 map from 1972. Pavement ended near Colonia Guerrero (north of San Quintin). The 1000 used the same roads as far as Laguna
Chapala from 1967 to 1971.
The 1972 Mexican 1000 started in Mexicali and ran south to San Matias Pass via Hwy. 5, and either south via Mike's Sky Rancho and San Telmo, or the
Trinidad/ San Vicente road, and on south on the Hwy. 1 route, as before.
[Edited on 2-5-2015 by David K]TMW - 2-5-2015 at 10:46 AM
If you go to http://murdocknav.com/racingmaps.htm most of the Baja race maps are there. The earliest Baja 1000 map is from 1968. sancho - 2-5-2015 at 10:53 AM
Worked with a Teamster who recounted stories of
charting the first 1000's on Husky motorcycles with
gas tanks strapped to their backs
4x4abc - 2-5-2015 at 06:38 PM
thank you guys! I would still like to see a copy of the AAA map from before pavement (without the race course drawn in)David K - 2-5-2015 at 07:45 PM
The Howard Gulick 1962 maps are so much better that the AAA maps of the 60's...
Just click on the area of the peninsula on the index map to see the close up maps:
Thanks Tom, that is what I was going to look up for Harold... but now I see he doesn't want the race map...
1968 Mexican 1000 on AAA Map: file:///C:/Users/David/Downloads/1968NORRAMexican1000Map.pdf
1971 Mexican 1000 on the AAA map: file:///C:/Users/David/Downloads/1971NORRAMexican1000.pdf
Well, they don't show here as links, so click on the Murdock link, and scroll down to the bottom for 1968 (it looks better than the 1971 one... and
they are the same course).
[Edited on 2-6-2015 by David K]4x4abc - 2-6-2015 at 12:16 AM
thanks guys!
[Edited on 2-6-2015 by 4x4abc]David K - 2-6-2015 at 08:07 AM
The first 1000 races (NORRA MEXICAN 1000) from 1967-1971 used the main road (Hwy. 1) from Ensenada to San Ignacio. Then, the route used the Pacific
side road past San Ignacio Lagoon to Rancho Cuarenta, Cadeje, and to La Purisima jcn. Then it was on south to La Paz on 'Hwy. 1' again... which wasn't
paved more than a 100 miles or so north from La Paz.
In 1972, the race began in Mexicali, went south on Hwy. 5 to the Valle de Trinidad jcn (no Hwy. 3 yet), then went across to Hwy. 1 via Mike's Sky
Rancho or the San Vicente/ Trinidad road (racer's choice)... from Hwy. 1 jcn. the course was the same as before to La Paz.
In 1973, the race was taken over from NORRA by Mexican organization 'Baja Sports Committee' and renamed 'Baja 1000'. The race started in Ensenada but
went east to Ojos Negros and on across to San Felipe then south to Gonzaga, L.A. Bay, La Bocana Valley, El Arco, then the old road/ course to San
Ignacio (half of it on pavement) then the original route on to La Paz... but pavement had reached north to Insurgentes then.
There was no 1000 race in 1974, the only year without one. The Baja Sports Committee failed and Mickey Thompson's SCORE ran a successful 400 mile race
in July, 1974... was awarded a long term racing contract, but had not enough prep time to do a 1000 race that year.
In 1975, the first SCORE Baja 1000 stared and ended in Ensenada, going as far south as near Santa Rosalillita and up through Punta Prieta, Calamajue,
Gonzaga Bay, San Felipe... Three c l a s s e s ran a shorter route, avoiding the Seven Sisters coast. They believed the silt beds were too bad for
Class 6, 7, & 11.
[Edited on 2-6-2015 by David K]mtgoat666 - 2-6-2015 at 09:41 AM
can anyone of you please post images of the pre pavement AAA map ?
Trying to reconstruct the first Baja 1000 courses following the previous "road"
socal AAA gave their map and photo archives to USC. Perhaps you could contact USC libraries for e-copy. some of their aaa photo collection is onlineTMW - 2-6-2015 at 10:42 AM
I have a 1930 AAA map. It is large so I'll have to copy in sections and post. It's about 18 inches wide and maybe 3+ feet long. TMW - 2-6-2015 at 11:19 AM
There are 5 sections to the map. They are sideways since I was not sure if I flipped it the quality would be the same. The right side is cut off east
of Baja due to map size.
Map1
Map2
Map3
Map4
Map5 bufeo - 2-6-2015 at 01:18 PM
That's a nice map. Thanks for posting.
Allen R.David K - 2-6-2015 at 06:56 PM
Tom, my neck hurts looking at it that way! LOL
This looks late 40's to early 1950's ??? Can you find a year for it? THANK YOU!
[Edited on 2-7-2015 by David K]4x4abc - 2-6-2015 at 08:54 PM
super coolPaulW - 2-7-2015 at 07:11 AM
I printed out the old map and taped it together. Came out great.
ThanksTMW - 2-7-2015 at 11:58 AM
The map does not have a date but the booklet it was with when I purchased it on ebay says 1930 in the lower left. The descriptions in the booklet
follows along with the map.
Booklet David K - 2-7-2015 at 01:52 PM
Okay and wow... so Tom, can you please scan the pages?TMW - 2-7-2015 at 08:07 PM
I do not know why but in Photobucket they were all rotated right. I tried several times to correct it but something is screwed up in the process and I
am tired of trying to correct it.
[Edited on 2-8-2015 by TMW]
thanks!
4x4abc - 2-8-2015 at 12:05 PM
this is getting better every day
trying to locate the routing of this early road system on Goggle Earth is extremely difficultDavid K - 2-8-2015 at 12:14 PM
[Edited on 2-8-2015 by David K]David K - 2-8-2015 at 12:28 PM
Thank Tom... great reading... dirt road to Ensenada back then!4x4abc - 2-9-2015 at 02:12 AM
you rock, David!StuckSucks - 2-9-2015 at 08:51 AM
"Loreto: This is a small town of little interest."
Also interesting that in Mulege "malaria is prevalent."David K - 2-9-2015 at 09:22 AM
Yup, great stuff StuckSucks... Books and Maps are Baja time machines...
Always happy to help a fellow Nomad, Harald!David K - 2-10-2015 at 04:17 PM
This may be of interest to you Harald:
4x4abc - 2-10-2015 at 05:05 PM
very much so - now I have to find what's left of those roads David K - 2-10-2015 at 06:50 PM
I can remember traveling on parts 2, 3, and 5, in 1966... also the pavement ended 4 miles north of Colonet that year and didn't begin again until
about 100 miles north of La Paz. South of La Paz pavement ended in 10 miles and new graded roadbed ran to San Bartolo... on to Cabo was all on a
single lane wide dirt track, not graded!
Colonet to El Rosario pavement was pretty much on top of the dirt road of the time.
El Rosario to Rosarito (the one west of San Borja) the new highway was built on, next to, or within a couple of miles of the old road. It probably
helped with moving people and machinery.
However, from Rosarito to south of El Tablon (near today's town Vizcaino), the new highway deviated far from the old main road, in order to serve the
growing salt mine town of Guerrero Negro, instead of little El Arco (a gold mine town of the 1930's).
The next big deviation came just south of Bahia Concepcion, as the new highway serviced Loreto when the old road totally bypassed it by going through
Comondu (some went through La Purisima). Loreto was off on a side road... a dead end to about 1955 when an auto road was built from Loreto to San
Javier, and out to meet the main road near Santo Domingo (north of today's Insurgentes).4x4abc - 2-10-2015 at 09:18 PM
now all this needs to be translated to Goggle EarthDavid K - 2-11-2015 at 10:03 AM
I like the way you use the word "needs" (I agree)!
I hope my GE images help... drop me an email if you have any questions!
