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bajaden
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Next thing you know we'll be talking about the Lobster and the boiling water. God help us.........
Its no fun having a battle of wits with unarmed people.......
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Sharksbaja
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are you kidding..
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Like I said, I don't understand their particular love for catching fish just to catch fish.
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Sharks, it's not about the understanding of this pleasure. It's a gut thing. It's not a mental thing. That's why I trust it and cannot change it.
Has your blood ever rushed at the sight of line screaming off the reel when a tuna heads for the horizon? Has your heart stopped at the sight of a
marlin tailwalking next to your boat? Have you every held your breath in anticipation of a trout rising to your fly - will he take it or not?
If you haven't had these feelings then it's not your truth. It's my truth and that's why I fish.
Why do we like to fish?
Because of 5 million years of human evolution!
I don't know how else to say it. It's not a right or wrong thing. It's not about being fair or unfair ("What has that innocent thing ever done to
you?"). You are what you are and there is no apologizing for it. The lion does not apologize to the gazelle for eating it, nor for the pleasure of
chasing it.
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I grew up fishing the Kern plateau with a Fenwick in my hands. My parents called me Issac Walton Jr. as a kid. In fact I would nearly always outfish
my dad who grew up with a split-bamboo(I still own his) flyrod in his. Thing is we always have and always will eat ALL the fish with few exceptions.
I know how many fish I kill anyway.
I know the thrill and I love to play and land fish, to eat.
It's the way I was raised.
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
I know the thrill and I love to play and land fish, to eat.
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I know, I know Sharks. I came on too strong on that one. My apologies.
It's just that I made 3 posts explaining why fishermen like to fish, and therefore, pracitice catch and release and yet posters still say they don't
understand why. It's clear in my mind. But it may not be how everyone else sees it.
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JZ
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Catch and release is bad.
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
Ever watch bass fishing on TV?
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I'm with you on this one Dave. Although, not as a sadistic event.
Those bass tournaments on ESPN on Saturday mornings really miss the mark for me. Fishing at it's is best is a lonely, contemplative affair. One that
involves searching and discovery. It's you and the natural world out there. You're looking for clues and finding many of nature's secrets in the
process. It's a personal thing.
The guys on these tournaments are so pumped up with a sense of competition that it drowns out the best thrills that come along with fishing. The fish
are yanked out of the water and come flying along the surface so the hook won't come out. The guys are racing from one end of the lake to another.
It's a slam bam thank you ma'am affair. Then there's that ridiculous weigh in at the end where they hold these bewildered fish high over their heads
to the applauding people below. It looks barbaric. And has little to do fishing in my mind.
Actually I have never found a movie or television show that well conveys the emotions and thrills of fishing. I don't know why that's so hard to do.
Writers have done it well for years. I couldn't put Zane Grey's 'Tales of Fishes' down when I read it 40 years ago. And Thomas McGuane's 'An Outside
Chance' is the best that I have ever read on this.
But movies ... they leave me feeling flat and disappointed. At the end I always feel like - "That's not what it's like at all'. The TV shows usually
involve a couple of guys casually talking and fishing at the same time. A few jokes, here and there, high fives at the end. Then there's the
instructional stuff. Even the 'Old man and the sea' made the whole experience look like pain and work and courage. The only scene I can think of that
shows a part of the essence of fishing was in 'A River runs through it'. Where the guy pursues his fish into the rapids, takes a dunking, and you only
see the top of his rod in the process.
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I don,t understand
I just drove 5 or 6 hundred miles,put the boat in the water,and have my limit by 8 am,say two fish,sharks do you mean now we should call it a day and
go back to camp?
I love to eat fish but the catching is 80% with me and most people I,ve fished with,its all very clear for me.
BAITCAST
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fishing the "Plateau"
As a youngster I was dragged repeatedly to the High Sierras to conquer summits, passes, glacially-carved lakes and a plethora of crystal clear
streams. Fishing the southern raeches of the Kern Plateau required 4X4 to get back in. Leaving the gravel road at Toms' Place (upper Kern River) we
would travel north on a very challenging jeep road. It lead to Menache Meadows some 40 miles and 7 hrs later. A beautiful high alpine meadow with a
couple cabins and a tiny airstrip. From there another 10 or so miles to the end of the jeep road then backpack to many locations. The beautiful golden
trout were very impressive and some high lakes had LARGE goldens. Logging roads opened up the area in the early 80s and I stopped going there. The
goldens we caught were typically caught on yellow-jacket flies. I have also caught many crossbred goldens with red meat. I think rainbow/golden mix.
The stupid aerial stocking of high lakes many years ago contributed in the watering down of the original (pure)stocks in some lakes. At the time they
claimed they had no data, so therefore they...........idiots!
I have pretty much hiked the entire John Muir trail with many deviations and many leg and shoulder aches. I also did much back country dirtbiking when
that was allowed on designated trails. WOW was that an experience!
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I used to fish the Owens river near Bishop. There is a stretch of the river that is catch and release only. I never fished it because all too often
trout swallow the hook and its near impossible to remove it without gutting them. I think the catch and release policy is a good idea, but like most
ideas its not perfect. I think the idea is, that we fisherman do everything possible to insure that the habitat is protected. It may not be a perfect
plan, but its better than decorating our walls with them. I was on a charter boat out of cabo a few years ago and a fellow caught a marlin. The
captain suggested he release it, but he wanted a trophy. What a waste.
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Sharksbaja
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"The Gorge"
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaden
I used to fish the Owens river near Bishop. There is a stretch of the river that is catch and release only. I never fished it because all too often
trout swallow the hook and its near impossible to remove it without gutting them. I think the catch and release policy is a good idea, but like most
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Fresh water hooks typically are made of high carbon steel and rust out eventually. I will say however I have caught zero fish with leftover hooks
nowhere but the lip..
I think I fished every river, creek,stream and lake on the east High Sierra. WE would hike down the "Gorge" some 1500 ft below to fish for huge
"German Browns" up to 20+ lbs. We could actually see them from the cliffsides way up top and they looked like small subs. We caught some nice trout
there but never the granddaddies. Small world BD!
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i only catch the dumb fish so the survival of the fittest will continue and the smartest will propagate
dont worry be happy jerry
jerry and judi
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bajaden
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaden[/
I think I fished every river, creek,stream and lake on the east High Sierra. WE would hike down the "Gorge" some 1500 ft below to fish for huge
"German Browns" up to 20+ lbs. We could actually see them from the cliffsides way up top and they looked like small subs. We caught some nice trout
there but never the granddaddies. Small world BD! |
I never caught a 20 pounder but I caught a lot of 5 to 8 pound browns. Did you ever fish Crowley or Convict?. Funny thing about the Owens is that if
go to the right places you have it all to yourself. Great fishing.... |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by whistler
It's not about catching ,It's about fishing.I guess it's the challenge of trying to outsmart something with the brain the size of a pea.
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Whistler, I came across this recently about how Florida permit guides feel about their clients.
I once asked one who specialized in permit if he liked fishing for them. "Yes, I do," he said reservedly, "but about the third time the customer
asks, 'Is they good to eat?' I begin losing interest.
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