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Ken Cooke
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If the houses in this development were built *within* park boundaries, your drive outside to get the mail or pick up the newspaper would look like
this:
Your drive down the "Sierra San Pedro Mountain Range" with your new neighbors from the USA and Canada will look like this:
What to do if a tree falls down, blocking your route to San Telmo???
For a mere $392,000.00 this "ski and horse property" can be yours!!
Look whose coming to BAJA!!LOL
[Edited on 7-9-2006 by Ken Cooke]
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Barry A.
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Great Photos, Ken.
------it is a beautiful place, and I think it should be left just the way it is-------no development, and no more roads with the possible exception of
a crude access road being built into the south end of the plateau from OUTSIDE the park, like around the old Mission site, but even that is
questionable. (and the only reason I want a road down there is that I was never able to get into that country----------it is 'TOUGH' country, as
several of our Nomads know!!!
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Mexitron
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Thanks for the memories Barry, it indeed sounds like a trip of a lifetime. I know all the places you're talking about, Vallecitos, et al, but its
been around eight years since Myron Smith and I used to explore up there. After his passing in 2000 we saved a few of ashes to be spread up there...by
that point they had closed off most the fun areas to drive in so I haven't been back since, so my memory is already getting a little fuzzy about
which place is which. I hope they leave it alone too. Magnificent country, especially south into the Matomi area.
Your trip sounds similar to one Walter Nordhoff wrote about in the old days of going on horseback into the San Pedro Martir with vaqueros for three
weeks with nothing but coffee and beans. With the skill of the vaqueros they dined nightly on venison. He too, said it was the trip of a lifetime.
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Barry A.
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Mexitron-----------
-----wow, MYRON SMITH------boy does that bring back memories. My wife and I camped with Myron Smith in Agua Caliente Canyon, with side trips to
Barrendo, and other palm filled canyons in the mid- 60's----------this is south of Picacho Del Diablo, down on the east face of the Sierra San Pedro
Martir. I do not believe that I was aware that he had passed away-----------a truly fantastic guy. At that time, I believe that he was involved in
Borrego Agriculture in the Borrego Valley of Anza-Borrego Desert State Park.
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Roberto
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Wow Ken, great pictures. Thanks for posting them, (for the 10th time). You need to get new pics, man (someone has already said that, I'm sure).
[Edited on 7-10-2006 by Roberto]
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Barry A.
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roberto-------
No, nobody has said that, and they shouldn't. Ken's pictures were totally appropriate considering what the "thread" was about-----------what's your
problem??? No, on second thought, don't answer that.
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
Wow Ken, great pictures. Thanks for posting them, (for the 10th time). You need to get new pics, man (someone has already said that, I'm sure).
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New pictures are coming June '07...
For now, here is the best I can do. La Presa Rodriguez to El Descanso...
The Bumper Sticker reads: "Don't Trash Baja."
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Mexitron
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Barry--I was fortunate enough to hook up with Myron for probably 30 or so trips in the 1990's...including lots of those palm canyon trips...Berrendo,
Matomi, Carrizo, Palomar, etc. Man, I miss him. Sitting around the campfire and listening to stories or getting into spirited discussions. I was on
his last trip in April 2000 to the Santa Isabella Canyon area with him and wife Nancy and Frank Nordhoff(grandson of Walter Nordhoff). Good trip, but
2 days after returning he contracted a staph infection and that was that.
I still go to Baja occasionally with his kids Brooks and Libby. His wife Nancy is healthy and doing well in Laguna. Myron sold the grapefruit
orchards in Borrego somewhere in the late 80's or early 90's.
Did you know any of the Nordhoffs? I'm still in touch with Frank--he's 84 and going strong. He's got some great old stuff on Baja from Walter's era
that I should make sure he archives somewhere.
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David K
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Mexitron, it is great reading your stories of those past hikes with the 'great ones' of Baja! Please continue!
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Barry A.
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Mexitron-----
No, never met the Nordhoff's, as near as I can remember.
I deffinitely agree with David K that your stories are super, and should be recorded for everybodies benefit.
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Taco de Baja
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Great photos ken, but if the development happens, there will be paved roads, power lines, telephone lines, and don't forget those
'high-speed internet" lines he mentioned FIVE times in the marketing pitch......
The paved roads, (to the west AND east), will be needed to speed you down the mountain so you can ski in the morning, swim in the warm water in the
afternoon, and be back to your cabin (that will be 30* cooler than the desert below) in the evening ...all this, only 4 hours south of the border.
Mexitron, What?s this I hear that you may not go on our annual Pacific Coast trip? Better go now before it turns into another Rosarito. In 30 years,
you can tell stories to all the young Nomads about ?the good old days? when we would not see another vehicle for the entire time we were there....
how we would trade the fisherman longosta for beer....the long surf break at the point, before they built the harbor...
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Cypress
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Venison/guns in a park?
Could it be the "venison" the vaqueros produced was goat. Could you tell the difference? Hope the "venison" didn't cost extra.
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Sharksbaja
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Barry, you should be famous! Good info and history blurb, thanx.
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
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Mexitron
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Taco--it ain't over till the fat lady sings. Just got a lot of logistical stuff... moving to Texas, work and all that, plus the gas for the drive
from Oregon. S'pose I could load up my truck for Fort Worth, then drive there via SoCal, unload it, go to Baja, then reload and on to red-sky
country. Who's goin now on the trip y'all?
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bajalou
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Years ago I'm told, there were quite a few deer in the Sierra San Pedro Matir. - told to me by a local doctor who used to hunt there.
No Bad Days
\"Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference\"
\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
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And in the San Felipe area - check out Valle Chico area |
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Barry A.
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Cypress-----
-----nothing wrong with goat, tho this was not goat-------we watched them dress out the deer (1)--------the vaquero got it with one shot-----the only
shot he fired the entire trip-----the rifle was an ancient 30/30 saddle rifle, lever action, with no blueing left on it, if it ever had any. If there
were any regulations broken we were not aware of it----remember, this was 1954. And no, it did not cost any more----we had paid in advance.
We had 3 vaqueros on that trip, but only one had a rifle, and he carried it in his hands most of the time----like a mountainman of old-----he was one
great guy, spoke little english, but we spoke passable spanish, so we got along well. We would not have starved if he had not produced the deer, but
we would have been major hungery as all our "main" food had been eaten. The reason this happened is that we did not understand that we were to supply
food for the vaqueros, in addition to ourselves-------we all got a big laugh out of that mistake, but it all worked out ok, especially when he brought
in the deer meat.
By the way, the fellow that was on the trip with me in ' 54 came in last night, 2 days late, so he did show up, after all. I had not seen him in about
18 years, so that was great.
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Cypress
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Venison/Goat
I have several goats on my place, deer also. Both are tastey if tender.
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David K
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Bumping this 2006 thread for Geothermal-Shane
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