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losfrailes
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Disregard, Ignore and Goodbye
What seems to be the major problem here?
Mr Bull has managed to show exactly where his inner self is located.
We, who respond to his comments, good or bad, provide the impetus for him to continue.
Ostracize the sucka! If he posts, don't open and read. You just add to his credibility by doing so.
His commentary when being negative cannot be excused but if he gets responses he wins. Shut him down by not responding to anything he says or does.
Perhaps his vitriol will go away.
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vjfamily
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My respect for this Board, for Baja and for the men and women who love Baja is strengthened by this series of posts.
I too, find Mr. Bill's comments to be completely off the wall and now I know not to bother opening his posts. Los Frailes hits the nail right on the
head "Ostracize the sucka! If he posts, don't open and read. You just add to his credibility by doing so."
One of the lessons you learn on this Board is whose posts are interesting and valuable to YOU as well as worth your time to read, you also get a an
opportunity to witness many people behave in a very classy fashion. Good luck on your future adventures, Elizabeth. If I can help you in any way
send me an email, Joanna.
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Bruce R Leech
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I'm kind of disappointed that Doug has not at least commented on this yet. maybe he isn't back yet or something like that .
Bruce R Leech
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thebajarunner
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Nicely done Doug!
You did the right thing....
thanks,
dh
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comitan
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Bruce
He is back and has cleaned up that thread.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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beercan
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Hallelujuh !!!!!
Break the other arm patting yourselves on the back. All you perfect people . Almost all of you have called Bill names and his acts are bad !! Who is
perfect, let him cast the first stone !!
you are doing exactly what you have accused Bill of doing !!!
You hyprocrites !!!
* libs, all about choice until you choose different
* B. Hussein Obama - an Empty Suit for Empty Minds.
* Annoy a liberal - Work hard and be happy!
* Arguing facts & truth to libs is like bringing a warm smile to a gun fight.
* Lets win the War on Terror
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JZ
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If you can't tell the difference you got a big iq problem.
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JG
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btw ...Bills posts seem to have been deleted from Freds board as well...minimum standards of decency seem necessary to teach to some.
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Dave
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The world is full of surprises
| Quote: | Originally posted by beercan
Who is perfect, let him cast the first stone !!
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Interesting that you should quote the Gospel of John. Is this a maxim you uphold? That only those who are sinless should punish those who sin?
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longlegsinlapaz
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Elizabeth, you certainly handled this situation with much more grace & dignity that I would/could have! My sincere condolences on your loss &
the additional abuse you were exposed to here!
Beercan, you totally overlooked the point that it wasn't Roger, the deceased, that the words were meant to hurt, but rather Elizabeth who is alive
& should never have been exposed to intentional additional pain & anguish. Common sense & common human decency should prevail.
Could all of you guys who posted in favor of leaving the desecrated thread intact look at this from a different point of view? WOULD YOUR PRESPECTIVE
CHANGE AT ALL IF IT WERE YOUR WIFE, MOTHER, DAUGHTER, FRIEND IN ELIZABETH'S POSITION??? I'm not a promoter of censorship in general, but in this
instance, I feel that Doug took the right actions; IMHO, more damage would have been done if the original thread were to have been left intact in the
name of Freedom of Speech, than was done by removing the tasteless, offensive posts. In a nutshell; screw bill's rights, IMHO, Elizabeth's rights
& the rights of the family take precedent in the name of common human decency!!
It's easy to say "Ostracize the sucka! If he posts, don't open and read. You just add to his credibility by doing so." when someone begins their own
thread. It's impossible to ignore when an existing thread is desecrated. To my way of thinking, ignoring in this kind of situation condones by way
of silence. It takes more courage to speak up when you're offended than it does to stick your head in the sand without speaking your convictions.
I agree that we are each responsible for the words we utter & that no bell can be unrung, but in this case the utter of the profane wasn't who I
see as being hurt & having to live with his decision to utter them in the first place!
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beercan
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Again Larry is about the only person to get it !!!
Longlegs , don't tell me whats in my mind or what you think I missed ---cause as you reject Bill's words , likewise I reject yours !!!!!!!
I have been in this world for 63 years and as a Firefighter/EMT, I have seen enough Blood, Death, and destruction to last me forever !!
My views and words have been shaped by truth and reality!!
If Bill is censured /removed , then I hope everyone on this board as self-righteous and narrowminded persons that most have demostrated that they
are, suffer the the same fate !
* libs, all about choice until you choose different
* B. Hussein Obama - an Empty Suit for Empty Minds.
* Annoy a liberal - Work hard and be happy!
* Arguing facts & truth to libs is like bringing a warm smile to a gun fight.
* Lets win the War on Terror
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by beercan
Longlegs , don't tell me whats in my mind or what you think I missed ---cause as you reject Bill's words , likewise I reject yours !!!!!!!
I have been in this world for 63 years and as a Firefighter/EMT, I have seen enough Blood, Death, and destruction to last me forever !!
My views and words have been shaped by truth and reality!!
If Bill is censured /removed , then I hope everyone on this board as self-righteous and narrowminded persons that most have demostrated that they
are, suffer the the same fate ! |
Theres a big difference betwen your annoying yet tolerable presence, and the insulting nature of almost everyone of Bill's posts. I get into very
tough arguments with BB and others here, i don't always like what they say, but i feel they have something to contribute, Bill on the other hand, is
plain loco and amargado and serves no purpose whatsoever.
If you like reading bills bitter and poisonous posts, why don't you give him your personal email so he can email you a daily dose of venom.
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by beercan
Longlegs , don't tell me whats in my mind or what you think I missed ---cause as you reject Bill's words , likewise I reject yours !!!!!!!
I have been in this world for 63 years and as a Firefighter/EMT, I have seen enough Blood, Death, and destruction to last me forever !!
My views and words have been shaped by truth and reality!!
If Bill is censured /removed , then I hope everyone on this board as self-righteous and narrowminded persons that most have demostrated that they
are, suffer the the same fate ! |
Theres a big difference betwen your annoying yet tolerable presence, and the insulting nature of almost everyone of Bill's posts. I get into very
tough arguments with BB and others here, i don't always like what they say, but i feel they have something to contribute, Bill on the other hand, is
plain loco and amargado and serves no purpose whatsoever.
If you like reading bills bitter and poisonous posts, why don't you give him your personal email so he can email you a daily dose of venom.
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Jesse you are right on the mark
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longlegsinlapaz
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Larry, I DO understand your position & agree with it for the most part, I don't agree with it in this particular circumstance, for the reasons
stated originally. Nonetheless, I respect your right to your opinion, as I feel you respect my right to mine. Peace!
Beercan, DITTO on my comments to Larry. I also believe that my views & words have been shaped by my life's truths & reality. We each got
here via our own individual personal paths...the world would be a mighty dull place if we all thought alike!
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Cypress
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Respect, Disrespect for the death of someones relative serves no purpose. Why add to the pain of the loss of a loved one? It's a time to bury the past
and move into the future.
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DanO
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If those are my only choices, I'd say delete the whole thread, largely for the reasons Larry cited above. However, I don't like the choices. I'm
opposed to any system that proscribes certain content in advance, or one that imposes those limits ex post facto via the removal of certain posts from
threads to "sanitize" them. I'm also opposed to the deletion of entire threads to eliminate what people -- even myself -- consider unacceptable
discourse. And if you get a post like the one that ignited this whole debate (this time) -- one that offends the most fundamental notion of human
decency -- the answer isn't to have it expunged, or even to ignore it. The answer, IMHO, is for people who feel strongly about it to express their
view, as I did, that the poster should STFU and move on to another topic. Otherwise, the place will be like an Etch-A-Sketch, and we'll have no real
record of our community and discussions here (like it or not, every community has some folks you do not and will probably never agree with).
\"Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.\" -- Frank Zappa
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longlegsinlapaz
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Larry, yeah, what DanO said! He just got his posted first! I don't like the options, but if those are the only two doors I get to pick from, then in
this particular instance, because of the nature & intent of the original post, I'd have to opt for door #1...remove the truly offensive posts...I
KNOW that's subjective to different people, but I feel Doug did the right thing in this particular case; eliminating the entire post would have
cheapened the original poster's intent to honor someone...in a different way that bill did. I know you're looking at a much bigger picture than I am,
but I was so offended by his intentions, that my concerns were totally on behalf of the family, and by extension, the moral need of this board
(members, not just Doug) to take a stand against that kind of posts, much more so than a historically correct audit trail. On a different thread, my
feelings might be different.
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Baja Bernie
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longlegsinlapaz
"On a different thread, my feelings might be different. " And there in lies the problem
What you all are talking about is an event past--sadly with less than happy results, but finished none the less.
I believe that this thread has been talked senseless.
All anyone has to do to stop this type behavior is not to respond to the offender---should they not get the attention they crave they will find
gratification elsewhere. AS long at a single idiot feed their needs by replying then the board loses.
To ask Doug to solve the problem is like giving a young man a dull sword and asking him to solve the .......knot! He might try but with only a dull
blade he will never succeed.
We should have handled 'ou'r problem.
All we have to do is turn our back upon the offender! Surprisingly that takes a degree of self control.
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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