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abreojos
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When this project first started I checked on the Internet to see who had the concession with Pemex for the fuel dock in Abreojos. Well, it wasn't
anyone from Abreojos. The economic benifets to the community, if any will be minimal.
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Gadget
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Youtube videos??? Logged on and scanned a few of the surf??? videos. Lack of wave, camera and surf talent quality was embarrassing to watch. I was
trying to not be critical, but I had to ask myself, would I post this if I looked like this?  
"Mankind will not be judged by their faults, but by the direction of their lives." Leo Giovinetti
See you in Baja
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Dave
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Cruiser trash talk
| Quote: | Originally posted by CasaManzana
This thing has been a bad joke from the "concepcion". As a longtime sailor in Baja waters, this idea has been a running joke in California sailing
circles that more than 25- 30 boats a year...MAX...would ever use this service. My guess is it will never see one yacht. |
California sailing circles??? Wazz that? 
The "boating" community has changed. Anyone who can afford a new toy can, and will, use these services.
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abreojos
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I think it is a safe bet that there are going to be more and more people coming to Baja and if this project gets the same attention that Fox gave it
while he was president, it will go somewhat according to planned. And in some way I hope little towns like Abreojos benifit from it. I tried real hard
convincing the cooperative in Abreojos in planning their economic future by subsidizing their income with controled tourism and selling their catch
locally instead of shipping it of to the far east. The younger residents liked the idea and the older ones who control the town eyed it with
suspicion. In the long run there will be a couple of people who take advantage of the opportunities that come along and the rest will sand back and
watch.
Baja history shows that most locals are the last one's to get it when it come time for their town to change and them to benifit from it. The
government has an educational program they started at the beginning of this project to educate as many people as possible, but I doubt the is has
reach a significent number of people.
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Osprey
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The Gringo Gazette is wrong about most things but a recent article on the San Jose marina was well done. The author kept it short and explained why
marinas are so hard to build and sustain. The 22 steps in the new ladder calls for new marinas/fuel stations like St. R and Pt. Canoa where they are
going to encounter the "nature bats last" thing that's a pocket buster. Not so in Loreto/Escondido because of the island protection. Over fishing in
the north, phytoplankton greenouts from the Yaqui Valley runoff have taken all the fish away from the eastern shores of the SOC so SoCal yachties will
have to have very cheap incentives to come "down and around".
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oldhippie
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I like this project, it's a good idea and I hope it works. I think the SOC marinas have a better shot at success than the Pacific coast marinas.
"The three programs in the Sea of Cortez Project are geared toward common objectives: conserve the ecosystem, restructure the economy, create jobs and
improve the quality of life for the population while improving the quality of tourism development."
Since Calderon is carrying on Fox's programs, I imagine things will move forward once he gets his administration going. Certainly the Mexicans realize
that as "Alta California" becomes the land for only the rich and working poor, and as the baby boomers who live there start to retire in the next
couple of years, there's going to be scads of people with big piles of money saved up, looking to move somewhere more affordable and warmer. And Baja
is just down the street. I suppose that's why there is an English version of the web site.
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Don Alley
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Currently, demand for marina slips in Southern California is intense. There is a wait of years for larger slips, and Dana Point is considering
evicting boats of 30ft and less to make room for larger, more lucrative slips.
As Loreto Bay and other developments grow, demand for boats, and places to keep them, will grow. Same for the La Paz area. And if Fonatur/Singalr/API
ever get their act together, marketing a condo/boat slip combo could tap into the California market of frustrated boaters unable to get slips.
The models for all this are the marinas at Cabo San Lucas and possibly mainland marinas, like San Carlos. But it also signals a change in economic
scale. At Puerto Escondido, for example, there is a finite amount of space available. Like Dana Point, there is pressure towards utilizing that space
for the most lucrative customers. In other words, build a new launch ramp to service the local (Tripui) trailerboaters with less space for trailer
parking. Switch the large space they currrently use to more profitable yacht storage. And of course, raise the rates for launching and parking.
API has also suggested instituting a fee for using the Loreto Marina (or "darsina"), which they call "Puerto Loreto." Local pangeros have so far
resisted the fee, and have resisted a launch ramp fee. Should the marina become a fee based, profit making enterprise, expect the makeup of the
resident watercraft to change. Hopefully the local pangeros will have enough beach left somewhere to keep and launch their boats.
Local nationals my find themselves divided between winners and losers, those who profit from the changes and those who lose. But likewise, longtime
visitors and expats will be affected by the changes as well, some welcoming changes that will improve their visits or residency, while othere may feel
they are crowded or priced out.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
I think the SOC marinas have a better shot at success than the Pacific coast marinas. |
I understand your logic but I'm not sure I agree. Marina slips are almost non existent in Southern California. Often times there is a waiting list
that is years. The California Use Tax as well as Property Tax are other issues for SoCal boaters.
I think that if there are safe, secure marinas on the Pacific coast of Baja within 4 to 8 hour drive from the border then SoCal boaters will fill them
up. As far as interesting destinations, I know at least a couple dozen pristine anchorages along the Baja Pacific coast that would merit years of
exploration.
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oldhippie
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oxxo
I'm not a boater so my guess that the SOC will be more successful is based purely on the better winter weather / sea state on the east coast. Since
you're a boater, your point of view probably is more correct.
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abreojos
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
I like this project, it's a good idea and I hope it works. I think the SOC marinas have a better shot at success than the Pacific coast marinas.
"The three programs in the Sea of Cortez Project are geared toward common objectives: conserve the ecosystem, restructure the economy, create jobs and
improve the quality of life for the population while improving the quality of tourism development."
Since Calderon is carrying on Fox's programs, I imagine things will move forward once he gets his administration going. Certainly the Mexicans realize
that as "Alta California" becomes the land for only the rich and working poor, and as the baby boomers who live there start to retire in the next
couple of years, there's going to be scads of people with big piles of money saved up, looking to move somewhere more affordable and warmer. And Baja
is just down the street. I suppose that's why there is an English version of the web site. |
Your right on here ya oldhippie. In order to conserve the environment a new economic model needs to replace the old one. It is better to have a plan
than just haphazard capitalism. I want to be part of the solution and not part of the problem. I think everyone here agrees with that.
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