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Ya, it does look beautiful. I definately want to get out there before it's too late.
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Mexitron
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
This will probably stir people up but...
When I drove past Colonet last week I didn't see much redeeming about the place. As far as agriculture it looks like a disaster. Total dustbowl. Do
they have water? Is there any topsoil left.
I haven't had time to go over to he Point but so what if they build a megaport?
Okay, I'm against it only because it's too close to San Quintin where I have a fishcamp. Plus, I work in Long Beach and know just how filthy a
commercial port is. Long Beach has the worst air in SoCal and that's saying something. The cancer rate in that area has skyrocketed.
But what does Colonet really have going for it? Anything? |
A number of years ago I did a plant species list on the bluffs on top of the mesa. In one area less than half a football field in size there were
about 150 different kinds of plants growing. Really quite a collection of species which were a mix of plants from the southern extent of
distribution from California areas, species at the northern extent from Central Baja areas, and the plants that normally grow in the Colonet region.
So if you're a plant person, botanically the Mesa and the hills around there are quite interesting..not in an aspect-dominant way like the Central
Desert with the Boojums and Cardons, but very diverse.
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bajalou
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
My other reluctance for the megaport is traffic. Ya, they say they will build a rail line but I think alot of trucks will still be headed back to the
border area. I'm sure there is plenty of rail lines in San Diego. |
San Diego has NO viable rail lines fot transcontinental traffic. |
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Colonet Mesa
In a wet year
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Great shot Tron. Those of us on the west coast like the wind, the fog, the waves, even that beast of a longitudinal current. The bonuses include the
beauty of the coast that those conditions breed. Of course, putting a port and a city of 250,000 people at Colonet might cramp that a bit, but hey,
we gotta do whatever we can to get those Chinese imports into the U.S., right? Don't worry about the fact that China owns our trade deficit. I'm
sure they'll be cool if there are ever any issues. Doh!
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fishbuck
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajalou
| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
| Quote: | Originally posted by woody in ob
My other reluctance for the megaport is traffic. Ya, they say they will build a rail line but I think alot of trucks will still be headed back to the
border area. I'm sure there is plenty of rail lines in San Diego. |
San Diego has NO viable rail lines fot transcontinental traffic. |
You mean there is no freight going out of SD? Don't you guys have cargo ships coming into your harbor?
My point is they don't really need a rail line to Yuma. They already have Mex1 going to the border. Maybe that new road (201) to Otay is for truck
traffic.
All the containers have to do is get to San Berdo. They have lots of trains.
I think that megaport will make a traffic nightmare. |
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I think the rail line going to Yuma was the fact that there is no easy route for a train from Colonet to San Diego... topography has the line going to
Valle de Trinidad from San Vicente area then through the San Matias Pass to the upper San Felipe Desert.
This was the route proposed by the English in San Quintin when they started the railroad north from there...
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The one rail line from San Diego goes to the LA area before connecting to a line heading east. At one time there was the SD&AE from San Diego to
El Centro, winding thru the mountains and into Mexico for a bit, but this line has been abandoned for many years. Probably not suitable for the long
container cars with the way it crossed the mountains. To handle the volume of containers proposed that are destined for the mid-west, gulf and east
coasts, a better route has to be chosen. The port plan doesn't seem to be trying to get containers headed for anywhere on the West coast.
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Maybe they can move the port from Colonet to Guaymas or anywhere on the Sonora coast??!! Railroads in place there!
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Kinda makes sense DK...maybe the ships don't want to go around the Cabo though.
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Thank You Mexitron for such a nice post and picture. I once spent the most of a spring and summer surfing there, 1961, and trying to figure out
life, as a misguided youth camped there!!!!! And feeling there was absolutley not a more and beautiful spot on the planet. You know what? I was right
. That is the essence of Baja, very subtle. The fog, and gentle clouds, and sky, and the sounds from the sea, all give to the ambience of the flowers
and sea breeze. I was very interstested in small butterflys then, and there was alot I could not identify. Do you know how many species exist there,
and if their populations are still strong? What a great picture!! Thank You. Just flowers growing.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Maybe they can move the port from Colonet to Guaymas or anywhere on the Sonora coast??!! Railroads in place there! |
Cost the ships say too much time to sail up the Sea of Cortez. They want a fast turnaround with a load back to the far end of the Pacific and another
quick return. The whole impetus for a project is turnaround time. Saving the time it takes to go thru the Panama canal to the east coast or Europe.
Possibly somewhere else farther south on the mainland, but then the rail time is increased.
Think I read somewhere the Kansas City Southern RR now owns one of the Mex railroads and believes that it will get traffic that comes into Mexico at
the port of Zihuatanejo. They even set up a customs facility in KC so trains can come right thru and do the paper work there.
The worldwide transfer of containers and their contents is really big business and a lot of work is being put into trying to make it more effecient
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