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Bajafun777
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Well, each government has benefits that go to seniors as do a number of business offerings. If an non-citizen gets sick or ill in the U.S. all
medical facilities have to give them care and eat the costs, as every is entitled to medical care in emergencies. In the U.S. if someone 65 gets
immigrated and has never paid into the Social Security, they will get to draw $327 dollars which they never paid into. Now, many would take exception
to this but the truth be known these people are in the U.S. and still need assistance to live and our Constitution allows them to get what many call
freebees. Our own Social Security will not pay in Mexico except on very rare and documented emergency medical care issues for U.S. retiress. It is
not right to exclude Mexico, as if you have Social Security Benefits they should apply anywhere, and I mean anywhere. Mexico has some medical
insurance foreigners can also pay for that covers their medical issues while in Mexico. Now, of course Mexico's medical and benefits for foreigns is
not as good as the U.S. but the economic levels are not the same either. Later-------- bajafun777
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rpleger
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These are not government subsidies, all the government does is verify your age on the senior citizen card.
These are all private companies trying to get the senior business. Like senior discount rates to go to a movie.
This is not a government social program, just some discounts.
What is the problem?
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rpleger
These are not government subsidies, all the government does is verify your age on the senior citizen card.
These are all private companies trying to get the senior business. Like senior discount rates to go to a movie.
This is not a government social program, just some discounts.
What is the problem? |
I will be signing up as soon as possible.
-CaboRon
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Hook
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Bajafun777, are you saying that if a US citizen who has paid into S.S. and is living in Mexico full-time, that SSA refuses to pay them? You cant just
have your check direct-deposited into your bank account and draw it from ATMs or transer it to a mexican bank?
How do they prevent this?
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comitan
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Hook
He's referring to Medical, if you couldn't your SS retirement here probably 85% of us wouldn't be here.
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This and the other referenced thread are very interesting and informative. Though I would probably not present the card for discounts on everyday
items (at this point in my life – maybe later), it does interest me for medical purposes. Having just coughed up a goodly portion of our
semi-retirement nest egg for my recent week in the hospital complete with one “procedure” and one surgery (no discounts given whatsoever) in the U.S.
(I’m not old enough for Medicare yet) I will not scoff at a discount or even free medical care in an emergency. I imagine we can afford medical
insurance here, and will probably get it; but being relatively healthy and more inclined to use “alternative” care (i.e. very old methods or
those not involving pharmaceuticals) in maintaining our health, “traditional” health insurance was not of much use to us in the USA. We could have
gotten a policy that covered the “alternatives” as well, but would only have the choice of those providers of care who had signed on to the program
and would have ended up paying even more. We still saved by not having insurance for over twenty years, even with the slice taken out of our egg.
I am glad that Mexico is attempting to take care of its seniors and those seniors who live here for whatever reasons. The fact that they must have
paperwork (FM2s or FM3s) does leave out those undocumented people living here – and there are more than one might think. There are undocumented farm
laborers (! – just like in the USA) who cannot get back to their country of origin (and perhaps don’t want to for political reasons). These poor folk
who are practically prisoners in the farm labor camps will not benefit from these programs at all it seems.
Selective participation might be the way to go for us retired and semi-retired here.
Someone should tell the teachers here who strike because their retirement is now 52 or something about retirement age in the USA which climbs yearly.
I imagine my children will have to work until they are 80 to get any retirement benefits. Sorry, I know I’ve tangled this thread … just my thoughts
for the morning.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by comitan
Hook
He's referring to Medical, if you couldn't your SS retirement here probably 85% of us wouldn't be here. |
Hola Comitan,
What you cannot receive outside of the US is the Social Security Disability Insurance payments .... or as you have stated the Mecical
component......
Unless you have direct deposit and live out of the US , then you are at least technically breaking the law.
- CaboRon
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[Edited on 9-18-2007 by CaboRon]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
What you cannot receive outside of the US is the Social Security Disability Insurance payments .... or as you have stated the Mecical
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Sorry Ron but, incorrect. What you can't get outside of the US is SSI. Supplimental Security Income. It's welfare for those who havn't developed a
social security fund. They frown on a person getting a great tan on foreign shores while being subsidised with tax dollars.
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comitan
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Dennis
You are right because I know someone that was getting it here and when he turned 62 they changed it to regular SS retirement, not happy lost $100 per.
Mo.
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DENNIS
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I did it for ten years but didn't get switched over till 65+. Didn't gain or lose.
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DENNIS
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By the way......The $327 Bajafun referred to would be SSI and it's a lot more than that. Depending on the State in which one lives, the cost of
living varies as does the SSI payment. California is one of the highest and last I heard, the payment was $750 +-. The US is a welfare state.
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Hook
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by DENNIS The US is a welfare state. |
Well, if you think WE are, then the whole world must be...............well, except for maybe sub-Saharan Africa.
I told FDR we never should have gone off the gold standard.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
What you cannot receive outside of the US is the Social Security Disability Insurance payments .... or as you have stated the Mecical
component......
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Sorry Ron but, incorrect. What you can't get outside of the US is SSI. Supplimental Security Income. It's welfare for those who havn't developed a
social security fund. They frown on a person getting a great tan on foreign shores while being subsidised with tax dollars. |
That's as it should be... didn't know about ssi. Do you mean i didn't have to work all my life to get my social security ?
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DENNIS
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No SSI for you.
You have to be pretty bad off to qualify. Poverty stricken might describe it. Few to no assets. Old car at best. Of course, the facade can be
designed. That's the problem with assistance.
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