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comitan
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Believe nothing you read and half of what you see!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Talking about extortion isn't easy for any one directly involved. Facts about Tuesday January 21st incidents are noted below.
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hey newkid,
sounds like a plausible story. reminds me of my first trip to a strip bar in san fran, where the "hostess" was a 250-lb guy in drag, who brought us
our drinks, then a bill for drinks that had drinks at $35 per drink (which was a bit steep for 1980s prices). we paid and got out rather than get a
beating for disputing bill.
when locals prey on tourists and expats, the tourists/expats need to strike back by contacting feds, raising a stink, and contacting anybody they know
who may have influence over local crooked cops and pols.
ultimately, the crooked cops only prey on people that look powerless or look like they have no connections -- in cases like this, how you present
yourself determines your allure to predators.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capitolkat
Anybody else have any personal information which supports Gnukid's version of the facts?? And I have to wonder on a personal basis- how is one person
involved in all these episodes and nobody else on this board knows about them?? |
newkid and his associates must look like a patsys/easy marks to be attrracting so many con men and crooks.
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gnukid
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The truth is, I believe, most of you and the other victims are too scared to say anything, you don't speak spanish have no idea what is happening and
are embarrassed and intimidated and frustrated to say the least.
To be honest with you, I am peeed at those victims who ask for my help and who fail to follow my lead and instructions to file reports including
evidence with the police. But who would go back the next day to the same office where you were robbed? You got to do it. You got to file a report with
the Policia Minesterial the same day or the next day or some day soon. You gotta be persistent.
You can see some of us have entered the fray repeatedly as friends where no one else would, I made sure not to make it worse and gathered facts to let
the perps implicate themselves for prosecution and I have succeeded which we should be proud of but few of you have the courage to stand up to crime
really. That makes me really angry.
Not one of you here has said, call me I know an interpreter for these victims or do they need help?
Its a combination of all these factors that allows crime to run rampant.
[Edited on 1-24-2008 by gnukid]
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shari
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hmmm just tuned into this thread today and although I hate to say it but I believe it...not just in La Paz...like gnukid says...many wouldn't want to
discuss it on a forum but I too have helped travellers out in similar circumstances and was personally involved in obscene cases of extortion and
corruption which I will not get into(not in Asuncion by the way)...this story is not beyond belief folks...sorry to say...but it is worth keeping a
heads up and one of the morals of the story is to pay cash for each drink...it can happen to YOU!
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gnukid
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Shari and thank you for gleaning one important morsel, always pay for each order at the time of the order and ask for and keep the receipt. It would
end many of these scams before they start.
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comitan
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One of the victims a Major Developer? Leads one to believe that maybe the Ugly Gringo reared its head, and he didn't have bail money? I'm sure this
happened but I also think that theres more to the story.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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CaboRon
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Shari,
Thanks for the tip..... I will keep that in mind when I go out.
CaboRon
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bajajazz
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NAMES, LOCATIONS, PLEASE
In the I suspect rather remote event there's something to this nonsense, it would help to know which bars/restaurants/motels/whatever are practicing
extortion in league with the police.
For my own part, I have lived in La Paz for over 20 years in neighborhoods both modest and swell, and have never had a spot of serious trouble with
the police or anyone else.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
The lawyers including Armando Montano Martinez believe that the owners of the establishments in question are ultimately responsible in cahouts with
the night command at calles Colima and Mexico.
Already the owners of the establishments are trying to renegotiate to pay back the money, to offer free meals etc... but unfortunately for them the
damage is more serious and the victims are pursuing criminal charges for kidnapping, extortion and robbery and physical abuse.
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hey newkid:
sound like real classy joints. tell us which bars and restaurants to avoid. please tell us in 50 words or less (your wordy posts take too much time
to slog thru)
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Cervisin
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bajajazz : ...oh man, you are asking for it....
mtgoat666: you 2
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Leo
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This Gnukid is cr....
He likes to ruin the reputation of La Paz all the time.
He is the same one that posts 'kidnapping at Sorianas parking lot' and being robed while in line by the check out.
etc.
all BS
I have been a hundred times trough La Paz and shop at Sorianas and only have been used for 20 dollars once by a police on motor bike a few weeks
before Christmas in 2005. Never any problems ever since.
The grass is always greener....
and so, there is always a better spot in Baja
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