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bancoduo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
Brace yourself for the proselytizer. You appear to be in need of a good deliverance. |
That sounds like a
threat. BE NICE
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vgabndo
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More THIN moral arguments
Increasingly tough drunk driving laws and better enforcement in the US resulted in a decrease in alcohol related highway deaths in the 1980's. Since
the mid-1990's there hasn't been much progress. In 2006 seventeen thousand six hundred and two people died in the US in alcohol related traffic
crashes.
According to the US government, about three out of every ten people will, in their lifetime, experience an alcohol related crash. A significant
number of those will not have been drinking. Factoring in the cost in insurance pay-outs and lawyer fees, lost work, property damage, emergency
services and related costs, drunken drivers cost the economy about fifty billion dollars a year. How do you put a price on 17,000 mangled corpses?
These statistics are for a country with good roads, lots of honest cops, and constant reminders that DUI is not OK.
With the exception of the last, Baja California doesn't quite meet the standard.
It may be a safe assumption that the numbers would be more dismal south of the border.
(Statistics from GEICO direct vol. 22 number 2)
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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The Gull
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Illogical, but good proselytizing
We all know that something that is not measured and reported by the government does not provide for public to know the data. Nothing of the claim
that the drunk driving death toll would be more "dismal" south of the border will be proven with data, either to be true or total BS.
What can be done, is an estimate of the number of cars on the road compared to equal areas of the US - say like something the size of Southern
California. Would it be reasonable to assume that the roads (with the exception of the border crossings) are less crowded across the peninsula than
SoCal? If so, the frequency of hitting another car, drunk or not, would be different and maybe lower.
From the perspective of a bitter viewpoint regarding Baja, it has always been easier for US citizens to demean Mexico than to spend enough time in it
to learn about it. Xenophobia is practically incurable, but ignorance can be remedied.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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vgabndo
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OK Gull, you've won me over. I can now clearly see that driving under the influence of alcohol is not a bad thing at all. In fact because of the lower
population density in Mexico it probably should be encouraged; as you did. The people who don't drink and drive should have the basic intelligence to
stay the hell of the highway if they don't want their lives put in jeopardy by good decent, slurring, bleary-eyed fun lovers. What kind of fool would
expect the tail to not wag the dog.
I stand corrected and properly chastised.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
From the perspective of a bitter viewpoint regarding Baja, it has always been easier for US citizens to demean Mexico than to spend enough time in it
to learn about it. Xenophobia is practically incurable, but ignorance can be remedied. |
Xenophobia is a fear of outsiders, Gull. That wouldn't include a foriegners view of Baja. Your view of Baja is irrelevant to even you since you view
outsiders as insiders, transversly, by whim and vitriol. I'll bet you have a secluded stool at the bar across from the car wash. Who, but the
unknowing, could tolerate your hateful presence through a good margarita? Your favored seat must be next to a full length mirror.
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1000lbBlue
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Ill sit next to you and chat while my cruiser is cleaned of its baja crust and I wait with one of the last decent bajamaragaritas in hand before
entrance back into the ever so binding borders. I love the US but Baja is just so much better. I cant even drive past El Rosario without one beer to
calm my nerves for the myriad of grave stones and crazy catavina dips, dives, and turns. Traversed the one to Cabo and back 3 times and half as far
more than a dozen. I never drive drunk. Cautious and defensive always. Playing chicken with the semis is nerve rattling.
[Edited on 10-16-2008 by 1000lbBlue]
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BajaHawk
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How does one get to Costa Rica for $260?
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