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Sharksbaja
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I understand your concern there Roberto. I've always felt celebrating the dead was ok in Mexico and never grave it much thought. Hmmmm.........
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These six grave sites are all by themselves North of La Bocana. They appear to be of young children from the early sixties. Maybe when someone lived
close by.
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Skipjack Joe
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I agree with you Roberto on this issue.
I often see religious themes used as art for decorative purposes and I don't feel it's right. I've even seen it on nomads. I don't really have a good
reason for feeling that way except that I was brought up that way and those early lessons remain. Madonnas are for worshipping, not for visual
pleasure. This isn't exactly like the respect for gravestones but close enough.
There has to be a line drawn somewhere. My father in law once told me of his travels in the holy land. He apparently was walking around a church
shooting pictures of objects on the walls when the priest came up to him and said, "what are you doing? This is a place of worship. These are
venerated objects". Sometimes we forget that.
Remember when Madonna (the singer) started to wear crosses for decorative purposes? The Catholics were outraged. She said that she had attended a
parochial school and liked the way they looked hanging from the sides of those nuns and was going to incorporate that look for her own artistic
expression. I just don't think Madonna was inspired by catholicism very much.
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bajalera
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Roberto, you really surprised me. Somehow, the sensitivity about grave photos doesn't seem in accord with your usual posts.
[Edited on 4-22-2008 by bajalera]
[Edited on 4-22-2008 by bajalera]
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Roberto
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Roberto, you really surprised me. Somehow, the sensitivity about grave photos doesn't seem in accord with your usual posts. |
I've been working on getting in touch with my female side. 
In all seriousness, that goes to show that this is an internet site and no more -- we don't really know the first thing about each other, regardless
of how long we've seen each other's posts.
[Edited on 4-22-2008 by Roberto]
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--------------ahhhhhhhhhhh, we know that at least 95% of us are actually interested in Baja California, and that is the most important aspect of this
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Madonnas are for worshipping, not for visual pleasure. This isn't exactly like the respect for gravestones but close enough.
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And expresses perfectly how I feel on this matter. The relationship I have with my dead is mine, private and not to be shared except with those I
choose to share it with -- very close friends and family in other words.
Anyhow, that's how I feel, and that's because of where and how I grew up and I doubt that words can affect that.
[Edited on 4-22-2008 by Roberto]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
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Roberto, you really surprised me. Somehow, the sensitivity about grave photos doesn't seem in accord with your usual posts. |
I've been working on getting in touch with my female side.
In all seriousness, that goes to show that this is an internet site and no more -- we don't really know the first thing about each other, regardless
of how long we've seen each other's posts.
[Edited on 4-22-2008 by Roberto] |
And that my friend, is why we should make every effort to get together with each other when opportunity presents itself.
I think there are some, not many, on any internet site who are much like a motorist who regularly displays road rage. When taken out of his or her
4000lb vehicle they don't have a leg to stand on.
But then I guess, that type of attitude is a sort of antisocial behavior and they wouldn't gather in a group anyhow.
Sorry for the hijack, it was a great question and response. I have often wondered about this.
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longlegsinlapaz
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Hmmmmmm...Is there any way of knowing if the focus of Judy's pics are in fact actual grave-sites or simply shrines?
Roberto, in your mind is there any difference in how you view a shrine versus an actual burial-site?
I haven't a clue how the Catholic Church would view this; in a predominantly Catholic country; but my personal belief is that there's no
disrespect intended not reflected in Judy's post. I believe it's natural curiosity on the part of the living to wonder about the lives &
circumstances of other who were here before us. It's human nature to be curious, I think even more so when the lifespan was cut short, or when there
is a visual reminder at an unusual location, as reflected in Judy's pics.
I've never thought about this distinction before, but IMHO, both shrines & graves in cemeteries in Mexico are highly ornamental & adorned with
brightly colored flowers & other symbols to honor the dead. Their very nature is intended to draw attention. Is there any difference in taking a
picture in your minds' eye or taking one with a camera to share with people who might otherwise never view the site firsthand?
Is there a difference in viewing this type of pic in, say...National Geographics or here in the pics Judy & others have posted? What about
viewing pics of tombs of the Pharaohs?
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just for the record
I probably should have asked if anyone knows the history of these shrines because in retrospect, I doubt if the people are buried there.
Maybe Serenita will be able to tell us the story of their demise.
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
I'm Italian, born and raised until the age of 28, when I moved to the U.S.
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Heard Mario Lanza at Starbuck's yesterday.
Brought a smile to my face .... and old memories.
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Grover
All those graves is one of the most humbling sights I have ever seen. Rows after rows of white grave stones of our fallen heros.
Thanks for the post
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bajajudy
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well put it back
its my thread
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And proud you should be, Grover.
Thanks for putting it back up.
Ken
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He was a great man Grover... thank you for sharing him with us here!
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still working...it's strange but i have asked around with a few people and no one knows anything...there is a small children cemetary which is really
really haunted...but that's not right at the light house...it's on the road there and off to the side a bit...i know the cihldren died of some sort of
disease a long time ago...there are about 20 graves still standing as nasty cults and drunk kids go and wreck the little graves...that may explain why
the place is haunted...but my uncle told me there were about 50 little kids that died...maybe it's something like that??
i'll keep asking though!!
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We stop at the graveyard in San Jose De Magdelena quite often as it is one of the most colorful cemetaries I have encountered in Baja. One time we
stopped close to Dia De Los Muertos and asked a family who were there if it was acceptable to take photos of the burial site and they were very happy
to have me do that and asked if I could give a copy to one of their relatives in San Lucas. I had almost the same experience in La Ventana.
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Roberto, I see your point to a degree; however, I see no disrespect in the mere act of honestly asking about, viewing, or posting a picture of a grave
or grave site to gain information about the people buried. It is really all about intent.
People throughout the world place images of Jesus on a cross to honor him. I don't find that insulting; but, feel it is far more offensive to show
someone actually dieing vs. a humble gravestone.
Years ago, I was backpacking through the mountains of California and I bedded down under a large Oak in the failing light of dusk. When I awoke the
next morning I realized I had camped within 30 feet of a lone grave under the same large oak. It was a beautiful spot at the edge of a clearing full
of flowers that had been planted around the grave site. I spent about a half hour clearing fallen branches, watering some of the flowers, pulling a
few weeds, and replacing a few stones around the border of the grave site. I wasn't part of the family, I wasn't invited; but, I showed respect and
reverence to a fellow human being. It was one of the most beautiful grave sites I've ever seen.
Here is another great graveyard from mainland Mexico. I helped the caretaker push start his pickup truck right before I took this photo. These
peoples relatives wanted them to be remembered by the living.
BTW - Thanks Grover for sharing.
Also BTW - BajaJudy - It looks to me like those may be shrines and not actual gravesites. Perhaps the men were lost at sea?
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first of all let me say WOW...that is one of the most beautiful churches i have ever seen!!!!
second...the moment you have all been waiting for!
i found the story to the graves at the light house here in GN...
so...they were 4 or 5 kids from vizcaino...there was a party that night in vizcaino and well between bottles they decided to drive to GN to see what
was going on here...they got here fine, went and got more beer and apparently decided to drive out to the light house to drink and party out
there...on the way out... just before getting to the light house...those of you who have been out there know how the road turns really abruptly just
above a hill...well they were going a little to fast and drove straight of the hill and down in to that sort of...huge ditch i guess...and well...the
car exploded and all but one of them died...the one who survived is parylized and she lost her big brother in the crash...she only survived because
she did not have her seat belt on and got thrown out of the car and she dragged her self just far enough so she could hide from the explosion...she
lives in vizcaino and i have a friend who knows her and says she lives in her own little world...she used to be really funny and light hearted but
after the crash she just sits at home looking at pictures...sad eh...
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Sharksbaja
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Damn sad. Sorry to actually hear the whole story but thanks just the same
Yes Roberto has a point about some things being sacred. It's one of those hard to call subjects as we all have our spiritual opinions.
For the sake and respect of the dead I'm rethinking my thoughts. Can I do that?
[Edited on 5-1-2008 by Sharksbaja]
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