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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
And for the record, puts you next to God as far as I'm concerned. My mind just doesn't work that way. I think it has to do with compound vs coordinate bilingualism.
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Quite the intellectual explanation. Another clue as to how your minds works?
Don't know if you remember or not, but I once mentioned that I am a slightly different person, depending on which language (of the two I'm fluent in)
I am speaking. You didn't understand that at the time.
For the record, I don't think there is any such thing as two different languages in the same context, at least not a natural one. For example,
language is as much an expression of tradition and culture (especially so in older societies, which excludes the U.S.) as anything else. That fact
alone makes equal context impossible.
[Edited on 5-4-2008 by Roberto]
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Growing up in Italy with an American father, I would guess that Roberto is a Compound Bilingualist. Discussing this further with mi esposa, she
posits that only gachupines speak español, Mexicans and most Latinos speak Castellano. This is the opposite of what I expected,but what the hell do I
know.
[Edited on 5-5-2008 by Oso]
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Oso
OK, first do I feel bad or defensive about flunking this test? No, not at all. Well, ok maybe I was in a short term petulant snit
But actually it reminded me that I would indeed like to study advanced Spanish grammar and literature. I've started Don Quijote and gotten
halfway through maybe a dozen times. There is never a good reason to stop learning new things.
On second thought, maybe I'll move to Suriname and learn Taki Taki. There are only 100 words in the entire language. (English has 250,000.)
Secondly, Roberto is a native Speaker of Italian. His Spanish is passable.
Thirdly, I am a Certified Court Interpreter for the California Superior Court system. There is a difference between an interpretor and a
translator. The exam for the certification was entirely oral, not written. When I worked for the courts in Sta. Barbara and San Luis Obispo
counties, I seldom or never interpreted for well educated people. Most of the time the defendants, victims and witnesses I worked with were migrant
farmworkers and I had to do simultaneous translations. That is I had to follow a few words behind, almost anticipating the next words and
understanding the street slang and regional dialects that they used. Occasionally I would be stumped. I remember once asking a defendant why he shot
a coworker. "Me hecho una carne", was his answer. I didn't think I should tell the judge and jury "he threw me a piece of meat", so I asked him to
explain. "Me dijo cabron." So, I said "he called me an SOB." |
OOPS, misspelled hecho, shouda been echo. another example of verbal vs written language.
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Oso
Discussing this further with mi esposa, she posits that only gachupines speak español, Mexicans and most Latinos speak Castellano. This is the
opposite of what I expected,but what the hell do I know.
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And the provenance of Castellano is .... Spain, right? And Castellano is considered (snobbishly so), the "purest" from of Spanish (in Spain too),
right? Gonna have to discuss this one with Dona Anita soon.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
You that there was aggression there? |
Yeah, when folks start shooting at the messenger here, things go downhill real fast.
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Yes, I've noticed that. Caused it sometimes. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lencho
I don't recall the incident, but I'm surprised that I would have expressed doubt, since this is something I've noted both in myself and others. You
by chance have a thread reference for that interchange? |
Nope -- sorry. But, I was pretty surprised by your reaction. Maybe it was the OTHER Larry. 
| Quote: | Originally posted by lenchoInteresting point. Do you buy the idea of compound vs coordinate bilingualism? I haven't spent a lot of time
pondering it, but I ran into the idea years ago when I was paying more attention to language development and it seemed to explain certain things I was
observing in myself and others...
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Not sure. Off the top of my head -- no. Are we sure this theory was elaborated by a bilingual person? 
I DO know that people's minds work differently, but I'll be frank. That explanation was a little obtuse for a Sunday. Maybe I'll
check again and report back.
[Edited on 5-5-2008 by Roberto]
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