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[*] posted on 6-7-2008 at 12:59 PM


With apologies to Jack Nicholson and Tom Cruise. :spingrin:

Col. Nathan R. Jessep: You want answers?
Lt. Daniel Kaffee: I think I'm entitled.
Col. Nathan R. Jessep: You want answers?!
Lt. Daniel Kaffee: I want the truth!
Col. Nathan R. Jessep: You can't handle the truth!
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Col. Nathan R. Jessep: Son, we live in a world that has mouths and those mouths need to be fed by men with rods. Who's gonna do it? You? Lieutenant Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Nemo and curse the Anglers; you have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Nemo's death, while tragic, probably saved lives and that my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.
You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties you want me on that panga, you need me on that panga. We use words like action, drag, chum. We use them as the backbone of a life trying to catch something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very food I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you," and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest that you pick up a rod and cast. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
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Lt. Daniel Kaffee: Did you catch the red snapper?
Col. Nathan R. Jessep: I did the job I had to do.
Lt. Daniel Kaffee: Did you catch the red snapper?!
Col. Nathan R. Jessep: You're Gosh darn right I did!

[Edited on 6-7-2008 by Frigatebird]




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[*] posted on 6-7-2008 at 01:12 PM


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Originally posted by Frigatebird
With apologies to Jack Nicholson and Tom Cruise. :spingrin:

Col. Nathan R. Jessep: You want answers?
Lt. Daniel Kaffee: I think I'm entitled.
Col. Nathan R. Jessep: You want answers?!
Lt. Daniel Kaffee: I want the truth!
Col. Nathan R. Jessep: You can't handle the truth!
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Col. Nathan R. Jessep: Son, we live in a world that has mouths and those mouths need to be fed by men with rods. Who's gonna do it? You? Lieutenant Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Nemo and curse the Anglers; you have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Nemo's death, while tragic, probably saved lives and that my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.
You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties you want me on that panga, you need me on that panga. We use words like action, drag, chum. We use then as the backbone of a life trying to catch something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very food I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you," and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest that you pick up a rod and cast. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
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Lt. Daniel Kaffee: Did you catch the red snapper?
Col. Nathan R. Jessep: I did the job I had to do.
Lt. Daniel Kaffee: Did you catch the red snapper?!
Col. Nathan R. Jessep: You're Gosh darn right I did!

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[*] posted on 6-7-2008 at 01:33 PM


baitcast, other primates like ourselves, well maybe not you, eat meat, but not the gorilla. They do however posess a prodigious set of canines, no?

They must be vastigal or they would not have evolved with them. Useful at some time in their evolution. Maybe they just got too fat and lazy? Hmmmm. Interesting how fat some of those vegitarians get, human ones, not so much.

Interesting post.

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[*] posted on 6-7-2008 at 01:35 PM


All I can say Frigatebird is Thank You!

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[*] posted on 6-7-2008 at 06:22 PM


Frigatebird Rocks! On my end, since I've opened my veins about the "Air Boarding" I might as well fess up to the "non physical" things I admit to doing a time or two. I admit to be deeply effected by pschological warfare/torture I leaned about in books like "A Ride To Panmunjom" and "The Manchurian Candidate". I catch lots of marlin. Not by design, they just bite the trolled hook of my big Penn 50 W with 80 lb. test. I have released all of them. Like most other sportfishermen I simply gain control at the end of fight, grab the leader, remove the hook/lure revive the fish for a minute or two then release it. There were a few times (I'm not real proud of them) when I grabbed a tiny bait rod and reel, pulled the head of the beast high, out of the water, showed them the light-weight rig, the 20 lb test and said things like, "You're nothin. You just can't cut it. You'll never be a real marlin". We used a lot of visual stuff with the Vietnamese and Koreans -- cuts across all the complicated oral stimulae. Might work with big fish. Who knows? I don't do that anymore.
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[*] posted on 6-7-2008 at 06:57 PM


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I don't do that anymore.


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[*] posted on 6-7-2008 at 08:21 PM


Osprey is yanking our chain again me thinks :P



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[*] posted on 6-7-2008 at 10:53 PM


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Osprey is yanking our chain again me thinks :P


No, really? :lol::lol::lol::lol:
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[*] posted on 6-8-2008 at 06:36 AM


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Osprey is yanking our chain again me thinks :P


I choose to believe he isn't. Why would even an entertainer joke about his moral stand on any issue? He might make fun of yours and mine but, not his own.
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[*] posted on 6-8-2008 at 08:37 AM


Dennis

"Why would even an entertainer joke about his moral stand on any issue?"

Because he is an entertainer......couldn't help myself Dennis.

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[*] posted on 6-8-2008 at 08:47 AM


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But this guy is a veggie eater,why the canine teeth?
Always wondered about that,strange don,t you think.
Rob


Robin, they could be used for fighting or maintaining dominance. One look at those and another male may think twice about trying to overtake the 'pride'. Could be useful at night against marauding leopards also. But I think the intraspecies competition makes more sense.
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[*] posted on 6-8-2008 at 09:01 AM


Interesting point Skipjack. Maybe useful also for tearing apart certain plant species, fruit hulls etc???? Birds have evolved different beaks for the purpose of eating different nuts, seads and nectors. The range of beaks in humminbirds is astounding.

Interesting to have one's basic assumptions challenged. I had always attributed our and other primate canine teeth to meat eating, tearing flesh, now there are other possibilities. And this on BajaNamad, who'da thunk it?

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[*] posted on 6-9-2008 at 09:26 AM


Iflyfish,

Not long ago there seemed to be a lot of interest here in panda bears due to reasons I no longer remember. The evening news showed them quite often.

What I now remember were scenes about their feeding methods. After breaking chewing off a stalk of bamboo it would pierce the stalk with it's lower canine. Then the animal would bend it downward by pulling with it's front paws and drag it across that canine, raking it along the entire length of the plant. The canine in effect just sliced the plant like a knife creating long strips. Afterwards these strips were consumed.

So here was a very specialized way of canine usage by a herbivore. There just don't seem to be any absolute rules in nature.
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[*] posted on 6-9-2008 at 03:14 PM


from somewhere important:

DENTITION
Apes have relatively well developed jaws: the lower jaw is fairly deep and the two halves are fused in the front. The dental formula is the same as Old World Monkeys: I2/2; C1/1; P2/2; M3/3 = 32. The teeth include spatulate (shovel-shaped) incisors and prominent canines; the rear edge of the upper canine hones against the front edge of the first lower premolars. The molars have 5 cusps and a complex arrangement of ridges on their grinding surfaces. The presence of squared off cheek teeth reflects the predominance of plant food in the diet. Used together, these teeth enable most apes and humans to process a variety of vegetarian food stuffs. Apes have greatly developed canines with sharp blades, which hone against the modified shearing edge of the first lower premolar tooth, and may be used as weapons.

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[*] posted on 6-9-2008 at 04:24 PM


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Not often! Fascinating discussion. I am going ape over it!

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lol.gif posted on 10-8-2008 at 05:47 AM
frigatebird thanks I needed a laugh!


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