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and if the crack heads just want some crack what's the harm there?
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dtbushpilot, No harm, let 'em have all the crack they want. 
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Cypress, tell that to the 85 year old lady who just got knocked to the ground by some purse snatching crack head as you help her up and take her to
the ER....dt
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
palmeto99, My question? If those druggies want some smoke, what the heck is the
harm done if they get some? |
Nothing, just call it like it is. Californias sanctioning of these places flys in the face of the federal law. Change the law and play by the federal
rules. Being pro weed is fine but do not push for a blanket exemption of all drugs. Its just not going to happen. Pick a target that can be achieved
and you can get the law passed. Push a pipedream and we will still be talking about it in twenty tears.
Besides, We know the weed from Vancouver,BC blows away the northern .Cal. variety
[Edited on 8-19-2008 by palmeto99]
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Iflyfish
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The pipedream is the thirty plus year old "War on Drugs" that presumes prohibition will stop people from using this drug.
Marijuana has well documented analgesic properties as well as antiinflamatory properties. Do your homework.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
The pipedream is the thirty plus year old "War on Drugs" that presumes prohibition will stop people from using this drug.
Marijuana has well documented analgesic properties as well as antiinflamatory properties. Do your homework.
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So breaking the law is ok because you dont like the law.
I do not have to do my homework as the drug(weed) is illegal
Antiimflamatory and analgeics properties.?
Come on and get real . What quack document did you get this from. High times
or Rolling Stone magazine.
I smoke it once in a while because its fun not unlike a good bottle of cabernet but I am not so foolish to give it medical merits beyond its actual
usefulness.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
The pipedream is the thirty plus year old "War on Drugs" that presumes prohibition will stop people from using this drug.
Marijuana has well documented analgesic properties as well as antiinflamatory properties. Do your homework.
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Thankyou , it seems sad we are still being punished by those who consume alcohol and smoke cigaretts and think those are wholesome.
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Iflyfish
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Please Google terms like Marijuana anesthetic, or Marijuana medical properties, or Marijuana anti-inflammatory, or Marijuana research. I have quoted
extensively from the following as an example of what you will find from such a search.
http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/tr...
I would also note that misogyny laws were on the books in the US for many years, along with laws prohibiting sexual acts between consenting adults,
Rosa Parks is one example of someone who broke the law and benefited us all. Laws reflect political and social perspectives which thank the goddess
change as information becomes available to modify these laws. By the way, women now vote blacks can vote we can drink a c-cktail without breaking a
law; the disabled are guaranteed access to facilities because laws have changed. When you make illegal something that is highly valued, people will
continue to obtain and use whatever that substance, object or activity is. By the way, have you noticed that Prostitution continues to exist? Strange
isn’t it that this activity has been deemed to be immoral, illegal and criminal for nearly the entire history of mankind and yet it still exists. Can
you explain this to me? Does legislating morality ever work?
The following is quoted from the source cited above. I have edited it to include only quotes germane to the points you have raised. You can read the
entire text at the cite above.
“Marijuana has been cultivated for thousands of years. Cannabis was first described for its therapeutic use in the first known Chinese pharmacopoeia,
the Pen Ts'ao. (A pharmacopoeia is a book containing a list of medicinal drugs, and their descriptions of preparation and use.) Cannabis was called a
"superior" herb by the Emperor Shen-Nung (2737-2697 B.C.), who is believed to have authored the work. Cannabis was recommended as a treatment for
numerous common ailments. Around that same period in Egypt, cannabis was used as a treatment for sore eyes. The herb was used in India in cultural and
religious ceremonies, and recorded in Sanskrit scriptural texts around 1,400 B.C. Cannabis was considered a holy herb and was characterized as the
"soother of grief," "the sky flyer," and "the poor man's heaven." Centuries later, around 700 B.C., the Assyrian people used the herb they called
Qunnabu, for incense. The ancient Greeks used cannabis as a remedy to treat inflammation, earache, and edema (swelling of a body part due to
collection of fluids). Shortly after 500 B.C. the historian and geographer Herodotus recorded that the peoples known as Scythians used cannabis to
produce fine linens. They called the herb kannabis and inhaled the "intoxicating vapor" that resulted when it was burned. By the year 100 B.C. the
Chinese were using cannabis to make paper.
A growing body of scientific research and many thousands of years of folk use support the importance of medical marijuana in treatment of a variety of
illnesses, and the economic value of hemp in the textile, paper, and cordage industries has a long history.
The conflicting opinions on the safety and effectiveness of cannabis in a climate of prohibition make any discussion of its beneficial uses
politically charged. Marijuana has analgesic, antiemetic, anti-inflammatory, sedative, anticonvulsive, and laxative actions. Clinical studies have
demonstrated its effectiveness in relieving nausea and vomiting following chemotherapy treatments for cancer. The herb has also been shown to reduce
intra-ocular pressure in the eye by as much as 45%, a beneficial action in the treatment for glaucoma. Cannabis has proven anticonvulsive action, and
may be helpful in treating epilepsy. Other research has documented an in-vitro tumor inhibiting effect of THC. Marijuana also increases appetite and
reduces nausea and has been used with AIDS patients to counter weight loss and "wasting" that may result from the disease. Several chemical
constituents of cannabis displayed antimicrobial action and antibacterial effects in research studies. The components CBC and d-9-tetrahydrocannabinol
have been shown to destroy and inhibit the growth of streptococci and staphylococci bacteria.
The controversy and misinformation persists around this relatively safe and non-toxic herb. The World Health Organization, in a 1998 study, stated
that the risks from cannabis use were unlikely to seriously compare to the public health risks of the legal drugs, alcohol and tobacco. And despite
thousands of years of human consumption, not one death has been directly attributed to cannabis use. According to Lester Grinspoon, MD, and James B.
Bakalar, JD, in a 1995 Journal of the American Medical Association article, "Marihuana is also far less addictive and far less subject to abuse than
many drugs now used as muscle relaxants, hypnotics, and analgesics. The chief legitimate concern is the effect of smoking on the lungs. Cannabis smoke
carries even more tars and other particulate matter than tobacco smoke. But the amount smoked is much less, especially in medical use, and once
marihuana is an openly recognized medicine, solutions may be found."
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Don't want you to miss the entire link as you go and read about the medical benefits of Marijuana.
http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/common/standard/tr...
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The most telling quote from your article was "when its openly accepted as a medicine."
I understand your passion about the subject but instead of complaining about the law or the war on drugs as it is called these days. Work on changing
the law to allow the use of weed while still prohibiting the really bad drugs .
You must agree that recreational use of coke,heroin,crank is not going to and should not be allowed.
The advice I am about to give you is worth what you are paying for it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by palmeto99
You must agree that recreational use of coke,heroin,crank is not going to and should not be allowed. |
All the money and people involved so far haven't slowed use down. What's your secret plan to stop it?
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As the Mexicans are involved in a real war on drugs. Take a page out of their playbook. Lets put our troops on the northern and southern borders as
this is a national security problem.
Please do not tell me that all the troops are overseas . There are 75% of our troops still in country and in Germany and South Korea that could be
used.
Move some of our bases to remote border areas that have the highest violations.
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The good pot is grown in the US. I watched the local sheriffs haul a lot of good pot from the surrounding mountains today.
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805gregg
Exactly, home grown and no need to import and no need to purchase illegally if legalized.
Palmetto99
You take this quote from the following paragraph “The most telling quote from your article was "when its openly accepted as a medicine." And say that
this is “the most telling quote”. You are ignoring that the paragraph contains a statement from the World Health Organization and another from authors
in the Journal of the American Medical Asociation, JAMA, and ignore the fact of the legalization of Medical Marijuana in a number of states in the US
in order to conclude that Marijuana is not openly accepted as a medicine. You say this in light of thousands of years of use for medical purposes.
Stunning, that conclusion is stunning. I believe that the reference is not that Marijuana does not have medical value, as you earlier stated, but that
there is still a question of it’s utility, the meaning of the paragraph is that there are issues of it being recognized “openly”, that implies that it
is recognized, just not openly. There is increasingly open recognition of the medical utility of Marijuana as is evidenced by the fact of numerous
states legalization of Medical Marijuana as cited in the NPR program.
Following is the paragraph you take the sentence out of” “The controversy and misinformation persists around this relatively safe and non-toxic herb.
The World Health Organization, in a 1998 study, stated that the risks from cannabis use were unlikely to seriously compare to the public health risks
of the legal drugs, alcohol and tobacco. And despite thousands of years of human consumption, not one death has been directly attributed to cannabis
use. According to Lester Grinspoon, MD, and James B. Bakalar, JD, in a 1995 Journal of the American Medical Association article, "Marihuana is also
far less addictive and far less subject to abuse than many drugs now used as muscle relaxants, hypnotics, and analgesics. The chief legitimate concern
is the effect of smoking on the lungs. Cannabis smoke carries even more tars and other particulate matter than tobacco smoke. But the amount smoked is
much less, especially in medical use, and once marihuana is an openly recognized medicine, solutions may be found."
The article clearly states that thousands of years folk (and now legitimate research) as well as legislative analysis have documented the medical use
of Marijuana for a variety of illnesses.
“A growing body of scientific research and many thousands of years of folk use support the importance of medical marijuana in treatment of a variety
of illnesses”
This conclusion indicates that there is already acceptance of Medical Marijuana as a legitimate drug in the treatment of numerous conditions.
You further write “I understand your passion about the subject but instead of complaining about the law or the war on drugs as it is called these
days. Work on changing the law to allow the use of weed while still prohibiting the really bad drugs .
You must agree that recreational use of coke,heroin,crank is not going to and should not be allowed
I am doing my part to promote public education. I am engaged in educating you via this dialogue. Others are also reading this exchange and are also
learning.
The fact is that local laws and practices in many US states have decriminalized or now ignore the possession of small quantities of Marijuana. It is
also true that State Legislations, with lots of study and debate, have legalized the use of Medical Marijuana on a physician’s recommendation and
those dispensaries in California are already licensed by the State. The Federal Government is just behind the times as it is with the gay marriage
laws in Mass. A Democratic Congress may very well see this issue differently. A Democratic President may also support decriminalization. Many states
passed Civil Rights Laws before the Federal Government did.
I am not here arguing for the legalization of other drugs, though there is a well documented precedence for this approach in Europe.
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