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bajabombero
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Just wondering? Do you have an FM2 or FM3 Dennis?
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dtbushpilot
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
What in the world are you people doing to yourselves? Go just a bit beyond the rules that nobody here can verify and live your lives. Why do you
think you have to report anything to anybody just because you want to go back and forth from the US to Mexico!! It won't matter to anybody if you
don't.
You have your paperwork in order so why do you beg for problems? You're the ones that cause mordida and eccess paperwork.
Look...It's simple. Quit trying to micro-manage compliance. Just live your lives without creating a need for somebody to get into your wallet.
You don't go through gates between Cabo and TJ that check your "coming-and-going" activities. Why do you want to create a need for this?
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Well Dennis, I'm not sure how to respond to your suggestions but let me try.
I am a guest in Mexico. I have been coming to Baja for about 15 years and am happy to have the opportunity to travel freely (more or less) in Mexico
as a foreign national. I own 2 pieces of property in Baja and I'm required to have an FM3. Mexico, just like every other country has rules that they
expect you to follow if you intend to be in their country. I try to follow the rules to the best of my ability to show respect to the country and to
stay out of trouble. This is why I think that I have to report my comings and goings to travel between the US and Mexico. It can be frustrating at
times but the rules are theirs, not mine.
My paperwork is clearly not in order. I don't have, in my possesion, anything that indicates that I am in the country legally. If the INS finds a
Mexican National in the US without any proof that he is in the country legally he should expect to be detained and deported. I should expect the same
treatment from Mexico. I'd like to try to avoid that. As for the mordita issue, I can't say that I see a connection. In my years in Mexico I have
never paid mordita nor can I remember a time when it was asked for or even mentioned. Your suggestion to me "There's alway$ a way" makes me think that
you may be more a part of the problem than me. When I replied with a question of who to $ee about it I forgot to add  . Sorry if I gave you the wrong idea of my intentions. As for asking Armando, I
wouldn't insult his integrety in such a way.
Sometimes we fly our own plane to Baja, sometimes we fly commercial, sometimes we drive. It's a different routine with each. I feel that it is my
responsibility to figure it out and comply with the requirements. Is it frustrating at times? Sure, but I am, after all, a guest in this country.
I don't think I'm nuts, quite the contrary. I don't think it's adventureous to thumb your nose at the requirements or laws in a foriegn country, I
think it's stupid and to suggest it as a good idea on this board does a great disservice to the new members who might think it's a good idea.
As I said in a past post, my situation is my own fault for being lazy and not following through with getting the "letter" that I should have gotten.
I'm sure I will get it straightened out sooner or later and I'd be willing to bet that I won't have to resort to mordita to do it.......dt
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I have been to INS a couple of times to register my change of address and each time they take the Visa and ask me to come back to pick up the updated
Visa.
Each time they give me a one page document that has my new folio number on it ... I have always figured that that is my temp paperwork.
CaboRon
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dtbushpilot
As for asking Armando, I wouldn't insult his integrety in such a way.
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It isn't a question of integrity. It's a question of paying more to expedite a matter. It isn't an insult to ask if this option is in place. In
many cases, it's just as much a part of the transaction as signing your name. This is Mexico, not Vatican City and whether you and I agree on the
common procedure, we didn't start it and we won't stop. It's one big game and the rules are set.
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bajabombero
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I believe legally you are only required to have an FM3 if you have a house in Mexico. You can own land and it is not required until you build.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabombero
I believe legally you are only required to have an FM3 if you have a house in Mexico. You can own land and it is not required until you build.
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If you live here, in your house or in a rental, the FM3 is required. "Living here" can be open to interpretation and depends on who's doing the
interpretation. It will be a hard sell to immigration that you would only need an FMT if you gave the impression of permanence.
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dtbushpilot
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I have a house (condo) in Buena Vista so an FM3 is required. I am planning to apply for dual citizenship in the future and understand this to be the
first step. I know several people who have done it....some easy...some not so easy. The rules and requirements seem to be in a state of flux and
change from time to time or place to place.
Does anybody have an expirience they could share or recomendations?...
Thanks.....dt......Nomad
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dtbushpilot
I have a house (condo) in Buena Vista so an FM3 is required. I am planning to apply for dual citizenship in the future and understand this to be the
first step. I know several people who have done it....some easy...some not so easy. The rules and requirements seem to be in a state of flux and
change from time to time or place to place.
Does anybody have an expirience they could share or recomendations?...
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If you want citizenship you should (on your next renewal) go
directly to an FM2 ..... you no longer have to go thru the FM3 first.
CaboRon
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bajalou
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Not what they say up here Ron.
No Bad Days
\"Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference\"
\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
Nomad Baja Interactive map
And in the San Felipe area - check out Valle Chico area |
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajalou
Not what they say up here Ron. |
New law , just went into effect in February ....
States you do not need to start with an FM3,
You go directly to an FM2....
CaboRon
I am sure New Mexico has different laws...
[Edited on 9-20-2008 by CaboRon]
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bajalou
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I'm sure the do Ron. But I meant San Felipe. Forgot I changed the location for the summer.
No Bad Days
\"Never argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference\"
\"The trouble with doing nothing is - how do I know when I\'m done?\"
Nomad Baja Interactive map
And in the San Felipe area - check out Valle Chico area |
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