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Mexitron
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Packoderm
It's not necessarily the no charge that I like about free camping. It's the lack of development and people poking around that I like. At some point,
the only free camping worth talking about will be boat-in camping. |
Exactly!
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shari
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We have been camping in a secret spot around the agua verde area for many years and go there now with the thought that it may be fenced/private/not
free so we prepare to panga camp if needs be. we have scoped out some good spots just in case.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
I find it fascinating that over the last couple of years we have met many many baja oficianados who have travelled "all up and down" the
peninsula...but had NEVER been out here! Just an example of the hundreds of secret beaches many nomads have never been to.
Just a thought on camping while I'm at it...you can camp almost anywhere around here but camping within sight of a road sometimes brings unwanted
"company" that can make your stay unpleasant. One positive thing about camping in a campground is safety, not to mention the showers and bathrooms,
internet etc...we are in the process of setting up a nice camping area so people can camp safely, close to the ammenities etc. I agree with the point
that if ejidos start to charge for camping without providing services...well...maybe the local campgrounds will do better...these people have spent
money trying to provide services and some complain about paying to camp....geez. |
Yup... lot's of trips but often back to the same favorite places... or in Norte because of time limits. However, in 2007 we checked out the remote
Pacific 'Seven Sisters' coast and some of the Vizcaino peninsula (Asuncion & Abreojos). Met Shari and Juan that trip: http://vivabaja.com/707
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vandy
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Of course, you are all forgetting the wonderful possibilities of private land.
Many duenos love to have their beaches "watched" by a nice group of gringos.
Get out there and talk to some locals. I, for one, would NEVER pay to camp.
When there are hot showers, clean banos, trash pickup and internet service, I am no longer camping.
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ligui
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vandy , so right .... time to go camping again , thanks for the reminder
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Fred
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It seems to me that no matter if you stay in a campgound, camp for free on the beach or someone comes by to collect for camping on the beach I always
go home broke. Crossed back into the USA many times with no US money and less than 20 pesos. They are going to get my money one way or another.
Just as long as I can buy cold beer I am happy.
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ligui
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Ditto , DItto............................. .........
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squintingringo
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When someone builds a house on a view lot, lives there for years enjoying the view, he somehow thinks he owns the view. Somebody builds a house in
front of him and he cries like hell.
Duh... if you love the view so much, buy it. When somebody else owns it, they have a right to do what they want with it.
Most of the Ejiditarios in Baja have next to nothing besides their property in the Ejido. And that land, as their only resource, returns nothing to
them. Its not tillable or, in many cases, even liveable. But some of the lucky ones have the advantage of having waterfront property. Its hard to
blame them if they try to make a buck off it. Especially when they watch the Gringos come year after year with their expensive gear and use their
property, leaving behind garbage and terrain torn up by off road toys.
Many of these land owners would like to sell and could make much better use of the income from a sale than they ever will be able to make off the land
with their inability to make it produce income. But most don't know how to go about it in a way that will guarantee that they make a fair deal and
collect their money. As much as Gringos fear the process of buying Ejido land, the Ejiditarios carry the same fear of getting ripped off and often
think they will have to pay a lot of money up front to make the sale.
There are still hundreds of miles of coastline in Baja with nothing but jeep track to show anyone's ever been there. I spend lots of time on those
tracks and my wife and I have camped where the only visitors we've had in three or four days were coyotes and jack rabbits. We spend most of our time
in northern Baja, but have done the same all the way down the west coast and parts of the east side. We have bought several parcels from Ejidos,
converted the certificado parcelarios to titles and changed the property to dominio pleno. And some of the folks we've bought from are our best
friends. We've helped some of them start businesses and build houses for their families with the income and we all benefited. They turned their
property into resources they can use, while we have some great investments and will always have our own private campgrounds.
[Edited on 3-19-2009 by squintingringo]
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wilderone
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Free beach access at Ensenada Blanca during Semana Santa week and is a public beach like all the beaches.
"El libre acceso a playa Ensenada Blanca está garantizado durante este periodo de vacaciones de Semana Santa, así lo señaló el día de ayer Mario
Cortés, representante de Villa Group, empresa propietaria del predio.
En entrevista con El Sudcaliforniano, señaló que lo que suceda en la zona federal marítimo terrestre y en el terreno donde se piensa iniciar la
construcción de un hotel, ya será responsabilidad de las autoridades como SEMARNAT, PROFEPA y Parque Nacional Bahía de Loreto.
Explicó que serán las autoridades, las que también deben garantizar que se instalen letrinas, que se brinde el servicio de recolección de basura y que
se mantenga el orden y seguridad de los paseantes.
Por nuestra parte, comentó, esperamos que los ciudadanos que escojan esta playa para pasar sus días de Semana Mayor, lo hagan con completa civilidad,
evitando ocasionar daños a los ecosistemas y no destruir la flora que existe en este sector, como sucedió el año pasado.
Mario Cortés apuntó que Villa Group está en la mejor disposición de brindar el libre acceso por sus predios, sin que ello signifique que se puedan
introducir vehículos.
Ensenada Blanca es pública como todas las playas, pero es importante que autoridades, sociedad e iniciativa privada, nos pongamos de acuerdo para
disfrutar de los espacios sin causar daño alguno."
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
Free beach access at Ensenada Blanca during Semana Santa week and is a public beach like all the beaches.
"El libre acceso a playa Ensenada Blanca está garantizado durante este periodo de vacaciones de Semana Santa, así lo señaló el día de ayer Mario
Cortés, representante de Villa Group, empresa propietaria del predio.
En entrevista con El Sudcaliforniano, señaló que lo que suceda en la zona federal marítimo terrestre y en el terreno donde se piensa iniciar la
construcción de un hotel, ya será responsabilidad de las autoridades como SEMARNAT, PROFEPA y Parque Nacional Bahía de Loreto.
Explicó que serán las autoridades, las que también deben garantizar que se instalen letrinas, que se brinde el servicio de recolección de basura y que
se mantenga el orden y seguridad de los paseantes.
Por nuestra parte, comentó, esperamos que los ciudadanos que escojan esta playa para pasar sus días de Semana Mayor, lo hagan con completa civilidad,
evitando ocasionar daños a los ecosistemas y no destruir la flora que existe en este sector, como sucedió el año pasado.
Mario Cortés apuntó que Villa Group está en la mejor disposición de brindar el libre acceso por sus predios, sin que ello signifique que se puedan
introducir vehículos.
Ensenada Blanca es pública como todas las playas, pero es importante que autoridades, sociedad e iniciativa privada, nos pongamos de acuerdo para
disfrutar de los espacios sin causar daño alguno." |
I wonder if Mario Cortes is the guy that kicked us off the beach in front of the Villas Groupconstruction area, on the pretense that dogs are not
allowed on the "protected" beaches of Loreto.
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bajachris
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Beach camping in Baja is a victim of its own popularity and campers behaving badly. When hundreds or even thousands of people camp at a spot annually
it is only a matter of time before the Mexicans who own the land get tired of cleaning up trash, feces and dealing with drunks and realize they can
make more money over the short haul by selling the land and building houses. When these spots become privatized some campers get peey and make
problems for property owners by behaving badly and acting like they are entitled to continue doing what they have done for years. This results in
fences going up and enforcement of federal zone laws by property owners which eliminates the campers. I have seen this as a camper and a property
owner first hand.
My first free camping experience in Baja was at K-38. 30 years ago you could camp on the beach within an hour of the boarder. Property values have
changed all that. I have loved camping in Baja but times are changing and I can longer camp in some of the places I used to. In those place I have
either bought property or moved on. This trend will not change so we must all take advantage of the spots that are still available to us while we
can.
Beach access by vehicle through private property in not a right. By foot yes, car no.
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