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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
WOW.....What happened in 1980 to elevate the incarcerated population so dramatically? |
Perhaps:
In 1986 Congress enacted mandatory minimum sentencing laws, which force judges to deliver fixed sentences to individuals convicted of a crime,
regardless of culpability or other mitigating factors. Individual states had started earlier.
Add to that the 3 strikes laws enacted later by various states which also limit the power of judges.
"There is no justice without judgement." - Captain James T. Kirk, Captain, Starship Enterprise. Great episode where Kirk once again violates the Prime
Directive after getting an alien piece of tail. 
[Edited on 12-18-2009 by k-rico]
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Eugenio
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
WOW.....What happened in 1980 to elevate the incarcerated population so dramatically? |
Doncha remember all that "get-tough-on-crime" legislation during the Reagan years? Remember three strikes, and all those increased jail-terms that
were legislated? |
Wazzup Arrowhead? - You still haven't explained to us how your source estimates a 20% hispanic prison population but you claim 29% of prisoners are
illegl aliens.
Don't be changing the subject on us dude - you've got us at the edge of our seats here.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
Doncha remember all that "get-tough-on-crime" legislation during the Reagan years? Remember three strikes, and all those increased jail-terms that
were legislated? |
Yeah...now that you mention it.
Jeeeezo...Didn't overcrowding or the high wage demands of the Pervert Prison Guard's union occur to anybody?
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arrowhead
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Eugenio
Wazzup Arrowhead? - You still haven't explained to us how your source estimates a 20% hispanic prison population but you claim 29% of prisoners are
illegl aliens.
Don't be changing the subject on us dude - you've got us at the edge of our seats here. |
Wazzup wid ju mon? Doncha read? I didn't respond because Taco de Baja answered it in his post.
Let us refresh. You said:
| Quote: | | The first reference doesn't say anything about the non-illegal alien prison population - so it's worthless as far as calculating the percentage of
illegals in the prison population. |
Taco de Baja posted a statistic that was directly from the reference I first posted, to wit:
| Quote: | | A 2005 report estimated that 27% of federal prison inmates are noncitizens, convicted of crimes while in the country legally or illegally.
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So it appears you were in error about it not saying anything about the non-illegal alien prison population Now, granted that is just the federal
prison population and does not include state and local prisons. However, you have already agreed with my prior post that showed that the Hispanic
imprisonment rate is 240% of the white non-hispanic imprisonment rate (remember, .5% vs. 1.2%?)
So, you are left with the untenable argument that the legal Hispanic rate is 240% of the white non-hispanic rate, while the illegal Hispanic rate is
not. To make your argument even more vacuous, the report clearly states that the average illegal alien in jail had eight criminal charges. Good luck
with that argument, homeboy.
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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Eugenio
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
In doing some research on the number of people in prison, probation, or parole in the USA, I've discovered a link between the prison population in
the USA and global warming (or, CO2 levels, if you prefer)! The rising curves are very similar. If we don't do something soon the
prison population may reach 15,201,006 by 2050 and possibly as high as 45,300,601 by 2100!
Other tidbits from good-ole Wikipedia:
In 2002, 93.2% of prisoners were male. About 10.4% of all black males in the United States between the ages of 25 and 29 were sentenced and in
prison, compared to 2.4% of Hispanic males and 1.3% of white males.
In 2005, about 1 out of every 136 U.S. residents was incarcerated either in prison or jail.
A 2005 report estimated that 27% of federal prison inmates are noncitizens, convicted of crimes while in the country legally or
illegally. However, federal prison inmates are only a 6 percent of the total incarcerated population; noncitizen populations in state and local
prisons are more difficult to establish. The World Prison Brief puts the total number of foreign prisoners in all federal, state and local
facilities at 5.9%.
5.9% is still higher (50% higher) than their over all percent of the population 12,000,000 / 308,000,000 = 3.9%.
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No - as a matter of fact Taco didn't use your reference - he used his own.
You just did a little created cropping because you know you're wrong.
And his reference claimed an estimated foreign incarceration rate of 5.9% for Fedral and local.
That's foreign - not illegal. The illegal figure would be less than the foreign figure.
Personally I think it should be 0 - if the US really wanted to protect it's borders - but that's another topic.
The topic here is that you must be dyslexic or bisca ....or have some reading problem or something so you have to just make things up.
Carry on girl.
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