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wessongroup
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Thanks I needed that rico... and, my refrigerator is working now...
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wessongroup
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Ditto's
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Bajahowodd
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As I have read the posts here, it has become clear (at least to me) that there are multiple issues being discussed. First, there's the traditional
border-crossing partying gang that will weekend anywhere from TJ to Ensenada. And there are the hard-scrabble veterans of highway one who may venture
down as far as they desire. I'm thinking that the lack of tourism from TJ through Rosarito, to Ensenada is heavily impacted by the drug wars. On the
other hand, any drop off in tourism farther South, is probably more related to the US and world economy.
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k-rico
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But there are many people who paint Mexico with a broad brush and don't differentiate from place to place. I think the violence play the major role in
the decrease of folks driving into Mexico for road trips. The economy is probably a bigger factor with the fly-ins who stay at resorts.
As far as the teeny boppers who walk across to TJ to get drunk, the passport requirement is a big factor, but who cares, good riddance, it was a bad
scene anyway. Kids getting drunk in Mex and then getting on the freeways to go home, not good.
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wessongroup
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Just a guess, rico, on the teeny boppers... could be that momy and daddy don't have the same income they did ... 2 years ago... and I agree, what kind
of "industry" is that to build a Country on...
Some amount of fly-ins would I think be from a different crowd that the folks that "drive" and "camp".. a different segmentation of the "service
market"...
Seems folks want and/or demand a lot more than back it he "day"... you were lucky if you found someone "with" electricity... just was that much more
different back 40-50 years ago.. you really didn't expect anything from anyone.. you always could hope for help in a "pinch", if someone came by, but
most of the time.. you did it yourself, all of it.... you were to some degree on your own.. carry your own water.. food.. no ice ... and most of the
time, nothing but the country around you..
Now, clean showers  insure my safety and by the way, I want 3G wireles.. and a LCD TV.. and..
Not an easy task to take care of all the wants of how many.... I don't really know... have really no idea on that one.. as a percentage of the
population in Baja... would be nice to know the number..
Well that is my 2 cents .... for now...
[Edited on 2-27-2010 by wessongroup]
[Edited on 2-27-2010 by wessongroup]
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Bajahowodd
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On one hand, as a wastrel of yore, even though I have children, I have always figured that they need to experience and determine what life is about.
Hence, especially given the trolley connection, I am not and have not been opposed to the idea that youngsters need to blow off steam. And without
giving away secrets, I am aware that my friend k-rico grew up in a state that had an 18 year old drinking law. However, as far as TJ tourism is
concerned, historically, the convention business in San Diego always seemed to include junkets to Baja. No Mo. That was big bucks for our friends in
TJ.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
On one hand, as a wastrel of yore, even though I have children, I have always figured that they need to experience and determine what life is about.
Hence, especially given the trolley connection, I am not and have not been opposed to the idea that youngsters need to blow off steam. And without
giving away secrets, I am aware that my friend k-rico grew up in a state that had an 18 year old drinking law. However, as far as TJ tourism is
concerned, historically, the convention business in San Diego always seemed to include junkets to Baja. No Mo. That was big bucks for our friends in
TJ. |
Yup, part of the tourism charm of TJ-past for me and my friends was that it was always a little dangerous and you felt a little "naughty" just being
there. TJ and Rosarito started getting its party reputation during the prohibition with the casinos down here. right?
Most people spend whatever amount they make. Some spend more. Few save enough. When people says it's a bad year and use their "same store sales"
from the previous year, it's the same thing. They've already bought the ATV for the kids, or added inventory for their shop. You're right- it's sour
grapes though.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
the tourism charm |
What would that be?
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805gregg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
I can just give my personal feelings on this matter------after 55 years of traveling in Baja---------
A conbination of "age" (72), bad news coming out of Mexico, the continuing development of the penninsula as well as increased expense and permit
hassles, and the fact that out of my 8 friends that I have gone camping with in Baja over the many years NONE of them will go down anymore (and it has
nothing to do with the economy). It is just not the same down there, and the allure has gone away. Very sad, but that is progress and change, and
neither are what we looked for in Baja CA-----in fact it was the primitiveness and isolation that attracted my friends and I in the first place.
We now all (friends & family) travel about the W USA, and feel much more comfortable and secure, and the wives will come with us if we don't go
south of the border.
It is just the way it is----------my personal & friends experience is that we feel much more secure in the USA (partially because we can legally
arm ourselves when travelling by truck), and we like that.
I have pulled all my long-time investments out of Mexico--------IMO it is just too flaky down there, despite occasional big profits------now it's to
volatile for me.
We leave it to you more adventurous guys and gals-----------and hope you enjoy it as much as we did.
Barry |
I agree completely, I only have 53 years, but I enjoyed it till the end, the drugs have taken a toll. I'm giong to AUS.
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Barry
thanks for leaving "some" for us nexgen adventurers. the thrill of the outback and turning the corner towards the next bump along the coastline is
what keeps us awake at night, also the nightmare scenarios that never seem to materialize.
but don't tell anyone.....
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
Kids getting drunk in Mex and then getting on the freeways to go home, not good. |
Wait a minute. That was me fifty years ago and I thought I was the All American boy.
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I boom over on Wednesday. Coulda gone last winter, held off due to violence reports received on west coast of Florida. Approaching San Diego from Juan
de Fuca, violence paranoia diminished to border town violence with travel farther south reported as free from the narco state drug civil war.
A very clear distinction between East Coast and West Coast perceptions of Mexican Drug War Dangers.
You all old Baja hands, what would renting in La Paz be like for a month or two ?
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rhintransit
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| Quote: | Originally posted by roadhog
I boom over on Wednesday. Coulda gone last winter, held off due to violence reports received on west coast of Florida. Approaching San Diego from Juan
de Fuca, violence paranoia diminished to border town violence with travel farther south reported as free from the narco state drug civil war.
A very clear distinction between East Coast and West Coast perceptions of Mexican Drug War Dangers.
You all old Baja hands, what would renting in La Paz be like for a month or two ? |
it's great. why do you ask? danger? practically zilch. the usual tourist anywhere precautions.
reality\'s never been of much use out here...
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