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Yeah. It could be anything. They aren't even sure the hit was on the correct white SUV leaving a child birthday party at the consulate. One lady
killed was 4 months pregnant and another child was orphaned. Very sad.
Talk about living on the edge huh? The pregnant wife worked at the Juarez consulate and husband at an El Paso prison. Hope they had double life
insurance...
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Really just have to wonder about the El Paso prison connection. Given the immense amount of cross border traffic, this could actually be a payback
situation.
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Who cares about a connection? Anything as nebulous as a "connection" will only serve to dilute the severity of this issue.
Chamber Of Commerce types have insisted that US citizens are not targeted.
Seems we are. Why try to develop an acceptable reason for that.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Who cares about a connection? Anything as nebulous as a "connection" will only serve to dilute the severity of this issue.
Chamber Of Commerce types have insisted that US citizens are not targeted.
Seems we are. Why try to develop an acceptable reason for that. |
Do they say US Citizens aren't targets or US tourists aren't targets? I think Michele Obama's secret service detail will want the answer to that
before she goes to Mexico City next month.
To answer your question Dennis- It really shouldn't matter, should it? Blaming the victim seems to be a sport down here. Mexico is so good at
sports... well, not so much.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Do they say US Citizens aren't targets or US tourists aren't targets? |
What's the difference?
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Ciudad Juarez has a very simple yet big problem. It is the traditional turf of the Juarez cartel, ran by the Carrillo Fuentes family who has held
power there for decades. The violence in Juarez comes from the attempt by the Sinaloa cartel, ran by Joaquin "el chapo" Guzman, to take over the city
and eliminate de local cartel.
The situation there is very serious, and not because the cartels have more power than the goverment, but because there seems to be a clear support by
the federal goverment for the Sinaloa cartel in its quest to take over the city. This support has resulted in the death of thousands of people and
does not seem to have an end. Heres a few questions i would like to have awnsered:
1.-Why are most cartels fighting for their servival just barely holding on to their turf, but the Sinaloa cartel is not only expanding, but doing it
with very little effort?
2.-Why are the arrests of narcos in Juarez, almost always from the Juarez cartel?
3.-Isnt it easier to repel invaders back to where they came from, than to erradicate locals who know the area, have their families and lives there,
and have all the local police, political, and social connections?
My theory is that the invading cartel is doing these killings, and using the federal goverment to create a very bad image of the locals. Killings like
these are completely detrimental to the locals cause, trust me, they arent that stupid.
Finally, Felipe Calderon is one very stupid and incompetent president.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Ciudad Juarez has a very simple yet big problem. It is the traditional turf of the Juarez cartel, ran by the Carrillo Fuentes family who has held
power there for decades. The violence in Juarez comes from the attempt by the Sinaloa cartel, ran by Joaquin "el chapo" Guzman, to take over the city
and eliminate de local cartel.
The situation there is very serious, and not because the cartels have more power than the goverment, but because there seems to be a clear support by
the federal goverment for the Sinaloa cartel in its quest to take over the city. This support has resulted in the death of thousands of people and
does not seem to have an end. Heres a few questions i would like to have awnsered:
1.-Why are most cartels fighting for their servival just barely holding on to their turf, but the Sinaloa cartel is not only expanding, but doing it
with very little effort?
2.-Why are the arrests of narcos in Juarez, almost always from the Juarez cartel?
3.-Isnt it easier to repel invaders back to where they came from, than to erradicate locals who know the area, have their families and lives there,
and have all the local police, political, and social connections?
My theory is that the invading cartel is doing these killings, and using the federal goverment to create a very bad image of the locals. Killings like
these are completely detrimental to the locals cause, trust me, they arent that stupid.
Finally, Felipe Calderon is one very stupid and incompetent president. |
Good points laid out well. Thanks Jesse. It become clearer now. So why the consulate hit? How do you expose and break the bond between the
Government and their favored income providers... because they must be paying the gov't gazillions for that level of support.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Ciudad Juarez has a very simple yet big problem. It is the traditional turf of the Juarez cartel, ran by the Carrillo Fuentes family who has held
power there for decades. The violence in Juarez comes from the attempt by the Sinaloa cartel, ran by Joaquin "el chapo" Guzman, to take over the city
and eliminate de local cartel.
The situation there is very serious, and not because the cartels have more power than the goverment, but because there seems to be a clear support by
the federal goverment for the Sinaloa cartel in its quest to take over the city. This support has resulted in the death of thousands of people and
does not seem to have an end. Heres a few questions i would like to have awnsered:
1.-Why are most cartels fighting for their servival just barely holding on to their turf, but the Sinaloa cartel is not only expanding, but doing it
with very little effort?
2.-Why are the arrests of narcos in Juarez, almost always from the Juarez cartel?
3.-Isnt it easier to repel invaders back to where they came from, than to erradicate locals who know the area, have their families and lives there,
and have all the local police, political, and social connections?
My theory is that the invading cartel is doing these killings, and using the federal goverment to create a very bad image of the locals. Killings like
these are completely detrimental to the locals cause, trust me, they arent that stupid.
Finally, Felipe Calderon is one very stupid and incompetent president. |
Good points laid out well. Thanks Jesse. It become clearer now. So why the consulate hit? How do you expose and break the bond between the
Government and their favored income providers... because they must be paying the gov't gazillions for that level of support. |
In its core, this is a non declared war betwen the PRI and the PAN. I am not saying all Priistas and Panistas are aware of this, i am just saying a
top handful of leaders in both parties, are waging this.
The PAN decided long ago to create one mega cartel that would awnser only to them, but they didn't understand the complexity and difficulty of doing
this. Elections are coming up and they are running out of time.
In the end, the PRI will get back the presidency, and in a few years, restore back order.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Who cares about a connection? Anything as nebulous as a "connection" will only serve to dilute the severity of this issue.
Chamber Of Commerce types have insisted that US citizens are not targeted.
Seems we are. Why try to develop an acceptable reason for that. |
Do they say US Citizens aren't targets or US tourists aren't targets? I think Michele Obama's secret service detail will want the answer to that
before she goes to Mexico City next month.
To answer your question Dennis- It really shouldn't matter, should it? Blaming the victim seems to be a sport down here. Mexico is
so good at sports... well, not so much. |
Victims should never be blamed...unless they have options. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Ciudad Juarez has a very simple yet big problem. It is the traditional turf of the Juarez cartel, ran by the Carrillo Fuentes family who has held
power there for decades. The violence in Juarez comes from the attempt by the Sinaloa cartel, ran by Joaquin "el chapo" Guzman, to take over the city
and eliminate de local cartel.
The situation there is very serious, and not because the cartels have more power than the goverment, but because there seems to be a clear support by
the federal goverment for the Sinaloa cartel in its quest to take over the city. This support has resulted in the death of thousands of people and
does not seem to have an end. Heres a few questions i would like to have awnsered:
1.-Why are most cartels fighting for their servival just barely holding on to their turf, but the Sinaloa cartel is not only expanding, but doing it
with very little effort?
2.-Why are the arrests of narcos in Juarez, almost always from the Juarez cartel?
3.-Isnt it easier to repel invaders back to where they came from, than to erradicate locals who know the area, have their families and lives there,
and have all the local police, political, and social connections?
My theory is that the invading cartel is doing these killings, and using the federal goverment to create a very bad image of the locals. Killings like
these are completely detrimental to the locals cause, trust me, they arent that stupid.
Finally, Felipe Calderon is one very stupid and incompetent president. |
Good points laid out well. Thanks Jesse. It become clearer now. So why the consulate hit? How do you expose and break the bond between the
Government and their favored income providers... because they must be paying the gov't gazillions for that level of support. |
In its core, this is a non declared war betwen the PRI and the PAN. I am not saying all Priistas and Panistas are aware of this, i am just saying a
top handful of leaders in both parties, are waging this.
The PAN decided long ago to create one mega cartel that would awnser only to them, but they didn't understand the complexity and difficulty of doing
this. Elections are coming up and they are running out of time.
In the end, the PRI will get back the presidency, and in a few years, restore back order. |
The drug war is boiled down to internal politics? Yikes.
Next thing you'll tell me is is was a PAN/PRI thing that caused TJ to remove their $15 Million camera security system that protected the tourists,
Tijuaneros and merchants.
[Edited on 3-16-2010 by Woooosh]
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No soy por ni contra apatía.
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