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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Good story. Gawd....the farther I stay away from local "talent", the better off I am. "Screw the Gringo" is a national sport and when I'm unable to
do my own work, I'll go back to the states and move into a home for the old and helpless.
I won't bloat a quote box responding to your other post, but I agree with pretty much most of it except the parts about BSing the agents. I've seen
it tried in the past and only got this response, "What do you think I am, stupid?"
Here and now is probably the wrong time and place to teach the clueless all of the inside tricks. I'd hate to be the one responsible for digging
their grave. You know how to deal with the authority and it's a learned talent.....not a born trait. These river folks will learn soon enough what
they can reasonably get away with. Sooner the better.
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I think I may have been unclear, I would never BS an INM agent. In fact most are my friends and they know exactly what I am doing and what I have
permission for while I have permission to do most anything since I am teacher and documentor among other activities, I was stating a real case, you
may help each other out, you can teach each other, you can learn from each other, there are many cases in which you would be legal to do projects for
fun. If you want to run a business then get a visa with your activity noted and register with the hacienda. You normally need a sponsor company but I
understand that is not always the case for all activities. I should add I think getting a working visa is not impossible and in fact it is generally
easy as long as you choose your activity correctly. The cost is about $200 bucks/yr. plus taxes on your profits. Mexico and US are both running full
speed toward more work visas for migrant workers in order to open the border, drive down wages and enslave the population in debt. The sooner you
figure out the process the better.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
I was stating a real case, you may help each other out, you can teach each other, you can learn from each other, there are many cases in which you
would be legal to do projects for fun. If you want to run a business then get a visa with your activity noted and register with the hacienda. You
normally need a sponsor company but I understand that is not always the case for all activities. I should add I think getting a working visa is not
impossible and in fact it is generally easy as long as you choose your activity correctly. The cost is about $200 bucks/yr. plus taxes on your
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WOW...You've strayed far and wide from your original point:
| Quote: | | There is no SS requirement for helping out a neighbor or friend... |
My point was simple. One just doesn't fly in from the states and start working on his buddie's house without proper documentation [I know...it's done
all the time and I would do it myself] which you spoke of above and who in hell's gonna do all that just to pound a few nails and a lot of beers?
Probably no one.
It was just a "heads up" for our vecinos on the river, not a suggestion or plan for them to be eaten alive by Mexico bureaucracy.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajariverrat
Alot of the homes are covered by insurance. |
In the US homeowners insurance does not cover "flood" damage. You need a seperate policy from the government. Is this the same in Mexico?
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Regarding Insurance, you do have to add additional insurance to cover earthquakes. Through GNP there is an additional coverage that combines
earthquake and volcano damage. It is called "terremoto y erupcion volcanica" The deductible is 22% of the cost of repairs. This is very similar to
the same kind of earthquake insurance in California. GNP has been very good to work with. They are even considering these "geysers" the shot up all
over the place as "volcanoes" As far as water damage caused by the river rising, I don't know if that is covered. I wasn't affected by the rising
river, so I'm not sure.
Also regarding the Social Security for the local workers, I confirmed with the local contractors that they do take care of that and build the cost
into the price. The landowners also require all of the contractors to check in with them and register all of their workers, even if they are only
there for the day. The landlords ensure that the contractors are in compliance with Mexican labor laws. I know it can ultimately end up in our lap,
so we all know now to triple check for SS compliance.
Thank you very much to all of you for your great advice and recommendations.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajariverrat
regarding the Social Security for the local workers, I confirmed with the local contractors that they do take care of that and build the cost into
the price. The landowners also require all of the contractors to check in with them and register all of their workers, even if they are only there
for the day. The landlords ensure that the contractors are in compliance with Mexican labor laws. I know it can ultimately end up in our lap, so we
all know now to triple check for SS compliance.
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Seems you have it under control. One more time I'll say, don't take anybody's word for anything...especially the contractor.
Good luck.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
I was stating a real case, you may help each other out, you can teach each other, you can learn from each other, there are many cases in which you
would be legal to do projects for fun. If you want to run a business then get a visa with your activity noted and register with the hacienda. You
normally need a sponsor company but I understand that is not always the case for all activities. I should add I think getting a working visa is not
impossible and in fact it is generally easy as long as you choose your activity correctly. The cost is about $200 bucks/yr. plus taxes on your
profits. |
WOW...You've strayed far and wide from your original point:
| Quote: | | There is no SS requirement for helping out a neighbor or friend... |
My point was simple. One just doesn't fly in from the states and start working on his buddie's house without proper documentation [I know...it's done
all the time and I would do it myself] which you spoke of above and who in hell's gonna do all that just to pound a few nails and a lot of beers?
Probably no one.
It was just a "heads up" for our vecinos on the river, not a suggestion or plan for them to be eaten alive by Mexico bureaucracy.
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I have stated the exact differentiation for requirements of visa or not. There is no requirement to watch, learn, discuss, show, loan, tell, share,
etc... You can make it as hard or simple as you like.
One should be reasonable in your expectations to a degree. The fact is people can pass the border or any transit point with tools and are allowed to
do their own projects or help friends and family, the difference is if you are running a shop or working in a manner for profit you must
register with INM and the Hacienda which is quite simple and many of us are registered. You can also work for no profit and therefor owe no taxes. You
certainly would have no problem getting "all the paperwork" completed to work in any specific skill area in Mexico. At the moment, INM understands the
absolute need for US contractors to come to Baja in order to both build but also to educate and share experience which is needed. This is a command
from the top down in order to improve construction quality and meet the needs of a growing population.
My point to you is that one must define what one's intentions are and define your activities. For example, you could call yourself the the boss or
administrator, or electrician etc...
Dennis I take offense at your implication that I would encourage anyone to B.S. which is not at all the message. In fact, everyday extraneros and
Mexicanos are sharing there knowledge, skill and experience as they always have.
I guess I take offense to posters suggestions here that it's against the law to help, (it is against the law to hurt) while I am certain you can find
support to justify not lending a hand it's not a reasonable interpretation and would never be supported by a judge in a court.
What all this conversation leads to is a better understanding of labor, labor is not inherently a taxable thing that generates costs and
taxes as you may be led to believe by US education. Labor is yours and your free to do with it as you might. Take time to educate yourself to a
greater degree about labor and it's implications for laws and taxes. The best way to do this is to get involved now and get experience in community
projects which serve you and your community directly.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Dennis I take offense at your implication that I would encourage anyone to B.S. |
C'mon, Paul....BSing is part of life. A more palatable word for it might be "Negotiation"in some cases. It's ludicrous to think anyone could carry on
a life with the letter of the law. I don't and neither do you as you've so cleverly shown. You take the spirit of the law and apply it to your
situation, then you justify it to yourself.
BSing in Mexico is survival. Everybody does it.
Relax....it doesn't mean you're immoral.
Another thing....I still say if you brought your long time US friend down here and put him on your roof with a hammer and a bag of nails to re-roof
your house, both of you are in violation of the law.
That said, it's a law I would break without question. It's how I was raised and will continue to conduct myself until the end. I'll do my best to
maintain a spirit of free will as long as I'm able. You just can't kill the Baja Spirit with a regulation written in Mexico City.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
You just can't kill the Baja Spirit with a regulation written in Mexico City. |
...like no smoking or registering you cell phone
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
You just can't kill the Baja Spirit with a regulation written in Mexico City. |
...like no smoking or registering you cell phone |
I seem to have missed that chapter in "The Adventurer's Guide To Baja" although, I'm sure talking on one's cell phone while smoking a Lucky played a
big part in the early days on the penninsula.
I'm searching the net to find a copy of the Earl Stanley Gardner ring tone hoping the melody will take me back to those seminal days of Baja
exploration.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Dennis I take offense at your implication that I would encourage anyone to B.S. |
C'mon, Paul....BSing is part of life. A more palatable word for it might be "Negotiation"in some cases. It's ludicrous to think anyone could carry on
a life with the letter of the law. I don't and neither do you as you've so cleverly shown. You take the spirit of the law and apply it to your
situation, then you justify it to yourself.
BSing in Mexico is survival. Everybody does it.
Relax....it doesn't mean you're immoral.
Another thing....I still say if you brought your long time US friend down here and put him on your roof with a hammer and a bag of nails to re-roof
your house, both of you are in violation of the law.
That said, it's a law I would break without question. It's how I was raised and will continue to conduct myself until the end. I'll do my best to
maintain a spirit of free will as long as I'm able. You just can't kill the Baja Spirit with a regulation written in Mexico City.
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Dennis you misunderstand as apparently do most. I maintain a visa in MX and I maintain businesses in multiple countries that conform 100% to the law,
that makes life easy. I do it for fun and for adventure and because it's part of the process of learning. I mention these facts because all too often
posters do not understand or seem to enjoy not participating in their community as we see here by so many old time posters, that you can't really help
or its against the law which is falacy.
I just completed a huge day visiting many farms and communities and it's sad how many gringos seem to think they can't and shouldn't do anything which
leads to their disengagement and often illness in addition to lack of community support for them in their reclusive behavior.
So, take it as you wish, but I promise you, you can do many things in Baja without a work permit and if you wish to work for dollars just get a visa,
but be sure to take your time and investigate or you will end up with permission for only activities which don't meet your life interests.
I would highly recommend that you or anyone interested just visit the INM and ask a thousand questions.
By the way, I also enjoy recording and bring recording gear with me to catch whoever might be performing with skills worth recording... I got the
casual impression you might have had a past in this field as I did too? It's a great compliment to life to participate in cultural activities and
these types of activities might prequalify you for becoming a mexican fast, as there are special rules for those who contribute culturally and
significantly to further development or arts, for example.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
By the way, I also enjoy recording and bring recording gear with me to catch whoever might be performing with skills worth recording... I got the
casual impression you might have had a past in this field as I did too? It's a great compliment to life to participate in cultural activities and
these types of activities might prequalify you for becoming a mexican fast, as there are special rules for those who contribute culturally and
significantly to further development or arts, for example. |
Interesting and complimentry perception, Paul, although my participitation is with film...the still type.
I'm aware of the concessions granted to those involved with cultural preservation and I appreciate your thought. Thankfully, my national preference is
set, as gifts tend to be, and I won't be adding to that. I prefer the "guest" roll.
Thanks again.
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Cool, I like photography very much but have a long way to go learning about photography. I shoot everyday, though I have DSLR it's clearly not in the
category of film.
Anyway, I gather there is a small difference between Baja and BCS in terms of how these things are perceived. Perhaps the law is even interpreted
differently and I have no experience in the north except on the border. I often think BN should be divided in two groups by region since the
perceptions are so different, though perhaps less and less this is the case.
Just to be clear, if I knew of a outright offender in terms of failing to register while running a business for profit I would be obligated to report
it by my duty as a active and legal participant and if I was subpoenaed to court I would tell the truth where-ever possible.
It offends me greatly when people break the law by not getting a work visa where it should be required, and more so when people use lack of visa as an
excuse for not participating in community (and generally suffering socially and healthwise for it) though I understand in most cases its usually due
to misinformation and due to the heavy burden to get the facts due to the distance to INM. I report here about the simplicity of this and increasingly
so because it's those gross offenders who hurt the rest of us.
So you BNs who are running illegal businesses best get yourself right with the law. And the rest get out and try out some volunteer activities.
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