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DENNIS
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If a misspelled word upstaged the essential nature of my shared thought, I would review the thought.....not the spelling.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
If a misspelled word upstaged the essential nature of my shared thought, I would review the thought.....not the spelling. |
Outstandingly put, Dennis, as usual!!!! (is that a word? 'outstandingly')
Barry
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wessongroup
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When I said world apart.. only on the one issue.. think overall we see it the same way.. you have to grab an oar and start pulling.. and just can't
get ahold of an oar and pull with everyone else
It just that some, be they of what ever color do not have the same reference point when they start..
I had a father (passed on) and mother (still living at 90) but was brought up under the old rules, beat the hell out of them.. that was the way they
were brought up.. so having parents can sometimes positive and sometimes negative..
Today, both of my parents would be in jail for child abuse.. but, in those years 40's and 50's when growing up... it was SOP.. no one thought about
you getting "beat" by your parents.. had my nose broke, arm and a fractured knee cap.. from a fire place poker..
We all have different lives.. some come along easily, others like my self.. it was not easy... I made it .. but it was luck or perhaps God, or the
Great Sprit in the Sky.. or what ever that I made it through, not ending up like my friends, dead from drug overdoses, killed in gang fights. or in
robberies, doing 20 to life for drug smuggling, or what ever .. I don't really know ....
Just know that I'm not all that smart.. so it has to be something else..
And yes I'm Caucasian, and part American Indian.. my son is part of what ever I am and his mother who is Mexican and 1/4 Apache ... the point on
MsTerieus
But, I find what the lady that started all this rucks with the USDA was more to the point.. poor is poor.. has nothing to do with color... at all...
and when one is really poor.. most can't really understand how difficult it really is for them to get up and get going.. just can't.. just like a man
can't really understand what having a baby is like.. I took Lamaze classes only to be told to get out of the way, and "this is your fault"
I live life, day by day and I'm thankful to be able to do just that.. along with being down here in Baja, a place I'm been coming to since around 10..
It's all good.. and I fully understand your position.. I just have this empathy for the underdog.. if you haven't noticed...
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
(is that a word? 'outstandingly')
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It is now.  Thanks, Barry.
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wessongroup
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
If a misspelled word upstaged the essential nature of my shared thought, I would review the thought.....not the spelling. |
I would not know if you misspelled it... so it is safe with me... as I only try to get the thought trying to be made..
If spelling and grammar are going to be applied.... hell, I SOL
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Iflyfish
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Barry,
"I never had a dad (killed when I was 1), not close to my Mom, seldom saw my Grandparents, and always depended on me to solve problems--------I had
little choice, in my mind, and that was ok. I waited until my kids were successful before really stepping in and helping them------and they all knew
that was what I would do------rewards are for those who help themselves, in my book."
You made a very good decision as a child to be self sufficient, good call. It also helps to be white, smart and have opportunity for education and
models of success. I too made that decision and it has served me well.
There is also another realities that we live with. What if you were born ugly, very short, with a visable deformity, transgendered, with Autism, some
form of Learning Disability? You must understand from your extensive experience in Criminal Justice that the deck is stacked in favor of white males
who are tall and have symetrical bone structure and a good tailor.
Most seem to have skipped school the day they tought about the Great Depression where there simply was no work. Didn't matter a whit about ones
character strengths, there was NO WORK. There are economic factors that affect us all and generate class differnces, you and I don't have the surname
DuPont. It helps if you are named Trump. (Talk about family scripting?!).
I would invite you and other Nomads to watch Michael Moores film Capitalism, A Love Affair. I know, he is fat, depressed, depressing, a poor dresser
etc. Those all have to do with how he looks. Check out the movie and see what some us are talking about when addressing this issue. If you think that
the table is level, your head is at an angle.
I don't mean your head, particularly, the comment is metaphorical.
I too read for the meaning, don't have a good built in spell or grammer checker.
Iflyfish
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Ifly
They are going to kick/peck you right out of the coup!
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wessongroup
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Will do.. have not seen it..
Just brought it up on Netflix here in El Pescador.. using hot spot shield.. yeah I know .. it's got this and that.. but, one can watch movies ... even
on my slow dsl from telnor.. lowest speed ever recorded 30.1 kbs
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by norte
Ifly
They are going to kick/peck you right out of the coup! |
Yep....He's gonna get a Coop De Grâce.
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Iflyfish
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wessongroup
It is not the circumstances that make us, it is what we decide about those circumstances and ourselves that makes the difference.
I appreciate what you are saying and think you are right on. The deck is stacked and those who figure out how to count cards and reshuffle make it.
Them that decide they can't or are cought in a cross fire don't.
I think that this gets to the nub of a whole lot of how we become different from each other and take the positions, religions, associations that we
do. These have to do with how we learned to adapt to our enviornment.
I once saw a 11-12 year old drug runner in East Oakland. I happened to be parked in his neighborhood. He was a black kid from the gheto and no doubt
he was running for the dealer, who I figured was within view of this kid.
I watched this kid handle hundreds of dollars. I thought long and hard about this. I wondered how in heck this kid would ever make it in school. How
would he deal with his "rube" friends who got minimum wage at Mickey D? How would the influence of this sort of money affect him. What would he decide
about himself and his place in the world. What would his career aspirations be. I watched him take in more than I made in a week. How would this
affect his work ethic? How long would he live? What would be "up" for him?
I have decided that context is important to all of us. Even as a Conscientious Objector I know that I can kill. The issue is the context. What is the
context that I would be in that would have me do that? I am a peaceful man, but given the right context I could kill. We all could kill, the context
is what is important. So we are not just the little box that sits behind our eyes. We are part of and influenced powerfully by our context. I am
married, that is part of my identity. That is a part of me. I would not choose to have an affair, because my marriage is part of me. When I was a
single man, I did not have such reservations. Context is very important and often over looked as it relates to motivation.
Mrsfish just had a successful surgery, not to worry, she is fine, I am "looking after her" so I have time on my hands, a laptop and a great group of
people to share thoughts and experiences with. If I were working now I would not be engaged in this dialogue. Again, context is important.
Care for another?
Iflyfish
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DENNIS
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Jeeeezo...Are you guys taking those "Chicago Turn-Around" capsules? I've never seen such a bunch of mile-long posts. 
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Iflyfish
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I would rather it was a Coup de Ville!
Iflyfishwithasperationsforacoupdevillethatrunsonelectric
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Natalie Ann
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Wishing a speedy recovery to Mrsfish.
nena
Be yourself, everyone else is already taken.
.....Oscar Wilde
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MsTerieus
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Now, however, it isn't personal, it isn't about Skeet or anyone per se...." |
Gnukid – you have me all confused again! I could have sworn you previously said, or strongly implied, that I and Skeet (and maybe Barry) were members
of the Brotherhood and/or the Masons. Then later, you seemed to change your story. To be sure I was remembering correctly, I went back to re-read
your posts on the subject. However, I found that the relevant posts had Vanished. POOF! Fortunately, I was able to retrieve some of what you had
posted. Maybe it will refresh your recollection so that you can answer the questions I pose at the end of this post.
QUOTE:
She [Msterieus] is an imposter in many ways, she led her conversations in a clearly convoluted manner toward a desired outcome which promotes the
current meme, fear, lack of compassion for others, lack of belief that people are all powerful to solve their problems created by those who are
corrupt in power on their own and do not require a police state or militarized cities. You can say people are free to say what they will, and they
are, I am simply calling out the poster as an imposter, not being sincere.
She displayed no true love or compassion for people and especially for Baja. That's why she is an imposter on Baja Nomad. There are endless
clues.
These games, which are heavily programmed, staged, with collusion, these people are not necessarily evil, they believe they are
good or maybe not, some believe they are evil, some do not know what they do, but they are committed at all costs, they have simply been
programmed to respond this way and react and are encouraged to do so by their controllers. You ask who are their controllers, well find out
for yourself. it's well documented in history books, in the encyclopedia, this is required reading for citizenship in life. It is well documented and
well understood, for those who open their eyes. They say it and repeat the phrases and memes constantly. …
I have pointed out their phrases, they point of their phrases often in capitals, their references to the words of Freemasonry,
the works of Albert Pike, the will of Cecil Rhodes and the diverse and complex social programming behind these extremely well funded exercises
in social manipulation of North America, and the world, it's up to you to do your research and see that not all people are well intended,
many are not, for the benefit of all, nor kind, nor caring and it is only because they belong to an broad based religion or anti-religion
sometimes called FreeMasonry which is imploding as planned for a new order.
The current meme is to promote fear, in order to promote their execution of their agenda. It's important to be realistic, and to see the broad
based programming as a manipulation which is heavily programmed through an indoctrination in various forms and levels of contradictory, chaotic and
confusing messaging. But you can see and understand if you simply do a little research into the history of NorthAmerica and England etc... We didn't
arrive in the position we are in today out of the blue. It is an agenda which is published and communicated and promoted with funding from your own
pocket.
I like Baja.
I am not really at all interested in the nonsense promoted by these incarnations of programed characters to promote their agenda, however it is
offensive, it is obvious, well documented, it is a significant part of our North American history, it affects us at every juncture and it is painfully
obvious and also sad. I truly feel for them and have compassion and I think we all should try to help them to see the truth and the light, that
sharing, caring compassion and love and giving is rewarding and that luciferianism is not. First perhaps you might want to find out what is
luciferianism.
I have at times documented their phrases, the odd chaotic, purposefully confusing and distracting phrasing, the timing, the persistence, the
Brotherhood, the support of each coded message irregardless, the lack of compassion for others and celebration of the memes of Masonry, but really its
should be obvious to the reader that you are being bombarded by programming from specific posters with a common pattern and approach, communications
with a clear agenda and its not a good one to our mutual benefit.
Gosh oh golly even the Washington Post had an alarming article stating something quite similar, yesterday, however it wasn't as much an alarm but
instead a celebration of the intelligence apparatus run amok, communications specialists, nearly 1:10 people in the USA or more run amock in a chaotic
jumble toward the agenda.
So it's okay to be pollyanna or say gosh oh golly no, skeet and msterierus etc... are really nice people who just have a way, but the
evidence is clearly otherwise, the agenda of the programmed FreeMasonic empire is not a good one for ours or their mutual benefit. …
[Emphasis added.]
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In the old days, books such as Dantes Inferno or the play Faustus and the stories of character Mephistopheles were required reading and taught
people to recognize these memes.
There is a reason Skeet and others repeat the phrase The Brotherhood and also offend women. There is also a reason for
his promotion of Sex as an agenda, to do so is the eighth level of Mason enlightenment. [Emphasis added.]
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[To Barry]: Yeah well it's great the support you give to Skeet as part of the Brotherhood! And that you would sit at his table!
… Also I like how you guys really are so proud of each other. [Emphasis added.]
Now here are my questions: Did you or did you not mean to say or imply that:
1) I am a member of the Masons or the Brotherhood?
2) 2) Skeet is a member of the Masons or the Brotherhood?
3) Barry is a member of the Masons or the Brotherhood?
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
Barry,
You made a very good decision as a child to be self sufficient, good call. It also helps to be white, smart and have opportunity for education and
models of success. I too made that decision and it has served me well.
There is also another realities that we live with. What if you were born ugly, very short, with a visable deformity, transgendered, with Autism, some
form of Learning Disability? You must understand from your extensive experience in Criminal Justice that the deck is stacked in favor of white males
who are tall and have symetrical bone structure and a good tailor.
Most seem to have skipped school the day they tought about the Great Depression where there simply was no work. Didn't matter a whit about ones
character strengths, there was NO WORK. There are economic factors that affect us all and generate class differnces, you and I don't have the surname
DuPont. It helps if you are named Trump. (Talk about family scripting?!).
I would invite you and other Nomads to watch Michael Moores film Capitalism, A Love Affair. I know, he is fat, depressed, depressing, a poor dresser
etc. Those all have to do with how he looks. Check out the movie and see what some us are talking about when addressing this issue. If you think that
the table is level, your head is at an angle.
I don't mean your head, particularly, the comment is metaphorical.
I too read for the meaning, don't have a good built in spell or grammer checker.
Iflyfish |
Fish--------I have long admired your insight and intellect, and ability to convey points----you are a huge asset to this Board. I am honored that you
responded to a post of mine.
Your point on the disabled-------little (or none) of what I said applies to the disabled------they are in a class of their own, and need all the help
they can get-----and many are an inspiration to the rest of us.
My Mom, my 3 uncles, my Grand Parents, my aunt, all went thru the depression, all worked, and all survived by hook or crook. There stories were an
inspiration to me-------it was a very difficult time, for almost all, but it was the depression that gave my grandfather the opportunity to invest,
and invest he did.. He was a disabled vet, a US Naval Academy grad, and medically retired at 43 as a Lt. Cmdr. and most of his pension went into the
Market with good results-----he never had a "job" after that-------that began our family involvement in the Market, and all of us have been investors
ever since, and his modest gains was the seed money.
I have always deeply admired the Trumps, and other big name families, I actually knew some of them as acquaintenances--------but not all of them were
totally honorable-----that is a given-------there is ALWAYS some bad with the good, or at least almost always. I just take it in stride, and do not
dwell on it, as there is no good in that, but I pay attention to what they say and do.
Most of my family members are strick Republicans-------and living in tiny Coronado, a Navy town, I was surrounded by Republicans for the first 30
years of life. My Granddad bought into Coronado in the early 30's when it cost relatively nothing, later my Mom in l938 using the life insurance from
my Dad's death ($10K)----that 10K bought 3 houses----we lived off the rent from two of them, and my Mom taught school and we lived in the third house.
The opportunity there was obvious. We had almost nothing, but were surrounded by wealth after the war------and I was impressed, and not the least
intimidated------most of the wealthy folks there were outstanding people, and treated us as if we were one of them. I never forgot that. Many are
still my friends.
Michael Moore's general attitude is so foreign to me that I am not sure I could stomach one of his productions--------I tried once and ended up
walking out after about 15 mins. His interviews disturb me greatly------to me he simply does not get it----what this Country is all about------or
that is his schitk-----I was never sure. But what is worse is his hostility and sarcasm-------I have no use for that. He is obviously a smart
fellow, but to me that does not excuse his twisted ideas and rancor---------he simply 'does not compute', in my mind. Even the 'truths' that he
presents are so isolated, so exagerated, and the exception to the general rule, that I find him horribly mis-leading. So I probably won't be
watching his productions any time soon---------but I do listen to the PBS, both radio and on TV, so I am not hopelessly in the tank for the right, and
occasionally I even listen and watch MSNBC. And I am sure that my head is at an angle, probably partially put that way from my unique experiences
and exposures.
Again, thanks for your response------I truly appreciate that. I always read your posts with interest, and am seldom let down. There are many others
on this board that I feel the same about. This is a great board, which proves that those who love Baja are really smart people (with a few possible
exceptions). 
Barry
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Iflyfish
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Thanks Barry and Nena.
Very interesting people at this party, got to love the Nomads. You should hear some of Nena's great Mexican music!!
I am reminded of the time when Martin Scorcese's film The Last Temptation of Christ came out. Scorsese was a Jesuit, deep thinker. He agreed to join
the studio and direct films for them if they would bankroll a film for him, one that he well knew would never be a box office success. That film is
The Last Temptation of Christ. It is a remarkable film in that it is informed by his extensive study of the bible and Christian history. The guy did
his homework.
Now the deal is that if you study Christian Theology you have to deal with the issue that Jesus was supposedly both God and Man. In traditional
Christianity i.e. Catholic theology it was essential that Jesus, the Christ, be both God and Man in order for his sacrifice, the crucifixion and
resurrection, to have any real value. If he was to die for the sins of man, he needed to be a man. I am not interested in a theological debate on this
issue, I am simply presenting Scorcese’s context.
Scorcese’s film focuses very much on the struggle that Jesus had with his divine as well as human nature. The opening scene has him building crosses
and struggling with himself over making crosses that the Romans use to crucify Jews, Jesus was of course a Jew. His buddy Judas comes by and chastises
him for making these abominable crosses. Jesus says in effect “I don’t know Judas, I hate this, I just have this horrible thing about crosses”. Now I
found this perspective very illuminating and there are many such scenes in this film.
It was interesting to me watching David Frost interview a panel of clergy on this film. The entire group pontificated about the evil of this film till
they hit the Episcopalian Priest who said in effect “I am curious, it seems like you all watched a different movie, I wonder if those of you who have
seen the film would raise your hands”. Silence, very uncomfortable silence and no hands go up. At that point the other clergy bloviated more on how
they would never condone such a film by even seeing it etc.
What I hear most from people who have not seen this film is an ad hominum attack on Michael Moore. He is fat, pushy, wears bad clothing, is sarcastic
etc. These are comments about Michael Moore, not about his movies. I would encourage you to see this film as it presents an excellent context for this
discussion of the playing field for labor in this country. He looks closely at the time when we grew up, a very prosperous time in America. We had the
heart of the water melon, and it was good, very good. The fact that we grew up in relative prosperity has influenced us all and it is hard to see the
larger forces at work that are affecting us now. Many did indeed find ways to profit during the Great Depression, that however not the story for most
folks, it was the exception and not the rule. Yes the stock market has come back, not to the level it was, but has regained some of its momentum.
However it is also important to understand that the Stock Market is very good to the top 1% of this country who now hold over 90% of our wealth.
I would encourage you to see the movie and then let’s discuss the ramifications of what he is saying with this remarkable film.
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MsTerieus
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I enjoyed your post re the movies, Iflyfish. I will plan to see M. Moore's movie. I have seen his other movies, and I found them interesting and
amusing, no doubt, in part, because I tend to agree with his views 100%. That said, I also get pretty annoyed with his movies, because, IMO, the
facts are really slanted in favor of the points he wishes to make.
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wessongroup
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"It is not the circumstances that make us, it is what we decide about those circumstances and ourselves that makes the difference."
That was what I was trying to say, about picking a "door".. at that particular instant, when these guys wanted me to get into their car and drive to
Mannheim at 2:20 am after drinking all night ... I chose NOT to go.. for some reason.. I wasn't afraid of anything at that time in my life, was still
able to walk and talk.. .. but, I just for some reason said, no... two guys were killed in a head on with a large truck, they were in a VW..
Our Commanding officer... made all of us at the site "look at the pictures" of the wreck and the two bodies that were left after the accident.. did it
make a difference in my drinking and driving .... no... that did not come until a California Highway Patrol stop on the way back from a Christmas eve
party 27 years later .. the officer let me go... and I had been definitely drinking and should not have been driving..... never drank and drove
again... figured someone again was looking out for me.. should have gotten a DUI, jail and insurance rates and all the rest... but, again.... I was
lucky.. or the woman officer felt sorry for me.. or ....
Just finished watching the Michael Moore film Capitalism: A love story
Must agree with your take on the movie ... and its overall thrust ..
It's a long way from the late 1940s and the 1950s to where we are today and to say how we do business and what type of Government we have....... wow
Some, of course will argue about this and that.. but the overall story of the working man, cannot be dismissed... (and when I say man I of course
include the working woman) as both are the corner stone of this Nation in my view..
The numbers are not wrong, and the "bail out" of the "Financial Industry" is beyond any doubt the biggest scandal in history..
I only wish we could get our money back.. I'm still with Icelanders on this one.. the Banks are "private" business's ... if they loose.. then let them
fail, they lost... and if we lent them money, where is my check.. rather than where is my taxes... yeah, I known ..... the check is in the mail...
If one thinks it was not a rip off, then why was the language contain in the document (Bill) specifically worded in a fashion that there would be no
redress NONE in any court of Law...
It's a pathetic statement about our elected? officials and their picks for appointments to offices of total power over the very industry they come
from .... and it ain't helping the "people" of United States of America... IMO
You know like the Constitution says : "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic
Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do
ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
And sorry, I don't think one has to be an attorney to understand what they were talking about .... in the statement of purpose
Sorry, best to mrs. fish
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