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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Some or most seem to overlook the fact that we are at war in four countries now, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen and today USA has ordered
multiple platoon troops to Egypt, not to mention the fact that we fund and are synonymous with Israel aggressions. We have perhaps 800 active military
bases worldwide involved in daily shenanigans.
Combine these military tactics with our financial wars, food wars and space wars and one can't resist concluding we are and have been embroiled in
worldwar 3 at full tilt. But mention this to the average person and they look at you sideways and say its irrelevant, yet ask them about the superbowl
and they can recount every commercial and every word misspoken by Christina Aguillera while they eat plastic and aspartame. |
 your too good .... keep it up.. enjoy your posts so much...
[Edited on 2-9-2011 by wessongroup]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
IMHO, one of the biggest hurdles is convincing the Mexican people the USA is on their side in the drug war. |
As long as the US provides such a robust market for the product and seemingly does nothing to change that, it's hard to think the people of Mexico
will ever believe we are an ally in their struggle.
Hell...I don't even believe it. We seem closer allied to their enemy.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
IMHO, one of the biggest hurdles is convincing the Mexican people the USA is on their side in the drug war. |
As long as the US provides such a robust market for the product and seemingly does nothing to change that, it's hard to think the people of Mexico
will ever believe we are an ally in their struggle.
Hell...I don't even believe it. We seem closer allied to their enemy. |
We have seen the enemy and it is us? So do you think the USA will then make all of Mexico "the enemy" in the drug war? Eventually ever war comes
down to "them' and "us" and we'll have to decide which is more important regardless of public opinion in Mexico.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
So do you think the USA will then make all of Mexico "the enemy" in the drug war? |
Could be. Depends on who's left standing after being scanned with the "Collusion Meter."
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
All the laws and enforcement in the world will not keep people from getting high. Last week I went to a lumber yard in La Paz, I noticed a man who
looked to be in his sixties buying a small can of Resistol, when I left he was outside with a rag over his face sniffing it. It is an exercise in
futility to attempt to control drugs with prohibition, we have been trying to do that for a hundred years and the problem is worse than ever, the
ineffectiveness is evidenced by the price on the street. The only sane way forward is legalization and the treatment of drug abuse as a medical
problem. |
Agree overall ... first, as it is my right to stick a rag with glue to my nose and inhale, IF I CHOOSE to do it... it is my right to do what I want
with my body ....
Second, the government has no right to be on MY property, (well of course I'm NOB) based on the Constitution of the United States... AS LONG AS I'M
ONLY HURTING MYSELF...
Thirdly, Governments control the production of these "drugs" e.i the movement of production of smack from the "Golden Triangle" to Afganistan...
A four-year investigation concluded that Burma's national company Myanma Oil and Gas Enterprise (MOGE) was "the main channel for laundering the
revenues of heroin produced and exported under the control of the Burmese army." In a business deal signed with the French oil giant Total in 1992,
and later joined by Unocal, MOGE received a payment of $15 million. "Despite the fact that MOGE has no assets besides the limited installments of its
foreign partners and makes no profit, and that the Burmese state never had the capacity to allocate any currency credit to MOGE, the Singapore bank
accounts of this company have seen the transfer of hundreds of millions of US dollars," reports François Casanier. According to a confidential MOGE
file reviewed by the investigators, funds exceeding $60 million and originating from Myanmar's most renowned drug lord, Khun Sa, were channeled
through the company. "Drug money is irrigating every economic activity in Burma, and big foreign partners are also seen by the SLORC as big shields
for money laundering."[5] Banks in Rangoon offered money laundering for a 40% commission.[6]
The main player in the country's drug market is the United Wa State Army, ethnic fighters who control areas along the country's eastern border with
Thailand, part of the infamous Golden Triangle. The UWSA, an ally of Myanmar's ruling military junta, was once the militant arm of the Beijing-backed
Burmese Communist Party.
Poppy cultivation in the country decreased more than 80 percent from 1998 to 2006 following an eradication campaign in the Golden Triangle. Officials
with the United Nations Office of Drugs and Crime say opium poppy farming is now expanding. The number of hectares used to grow the crops increased
29% in 2007. A United Nations report cites corruption, poverty and a lack of government control as causes for the jump.[7]
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I got 25 years of the life to back up my knowledge of the drug world. |
did you mean " I got 25 years TO life to back up my knowledge of the drug world"
Bob Durrell
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Got a few minutes to read?
http://www.globalchange.com/drugtest.htm
..............................We will never know how many have died under the knife of an intoxicated surgeon or as a result of a physician's
drug-clouded mind. Doctors don't like admitting errors, even in court long after the event, by which time evidence of substance abuse has vanished.
If you're too drunk or doped to drive, or drive a train, you shouldn't be operating - nor working a crane or cement mixer for that matter. Nor should
you be defending someone in court nor making huge financial decisions on which other people's future will depend.
[Edited on 2-9-2011 by mcfez]
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
Dennis, The homicide rate in the US steadily increased from 1920-1933 then rapidly declined when prohibition was repealed. I suspect that we would see
a similar effect if drugs were legalized. |
where is Elliot Ness when we need him most?
Bob Durrell
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California bill SB129 proposes to ban firing employees for testing positive to Marijuana
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/01/29/...
Bill would limit firings of medical pot users
Wyatt Buchanan, Chronicle Sacramento Bureau
Saturday, January 29, 2011
Rich Pedroncelli / Associated Press
Mark Leno's bill would ban employers from considering a worker's status as a registered medical marijuana patient or a positive drug test when making
hiring and firing decisions.
Californians who use medical marijuana outside of work would be protected from job dismissal due to pot use under a bill that has been introduced by
state Sen. Mark Leno, D-San Francisco.
The bill, SB129, would make it illegal for an employer to consider either a worker's status as a registered patient or a positive drug test when
making hiring and firing decisions. The bill would not change existing laws that bar employees from using medical marijuana at the workplace or during
work hours.
Workers such as health care providers, school bus drivers and operators of heavy equipment - so-called "safety-sensitive positions" - would not be
protected by the law.
"The bill simply establishes a medical cannabis patient's right to work," Leno said. He called it "a completely reasonable piece of legislation. It
astounds me that there would be any controversy around it."
While the proposal has yet to garner formal opposition, the California Chamber of Commerce opposed a bill that would have created the same protections
for medical marijuana patients in 2007.
That bill, authored by Leno, was passed by the Legislature but vetoed by former Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger. In his veto message, Schwarzenegger wrote
he was "concerned with the interference in employment decisions as they relate to marijuana use" and that employment protection was not a goal of
Prop. 215, which voters passed in 1996 to allow medical marijuana.
Leno said the notion that voters only intended for unemployed people to be able to take medical marijuana is "nonsensical on its face."
The effort to pass such a law stems from a California Supreme Court decision in 2008 that allowed employers to fire workers who test positive for
marijuana use, even if those workers are medical marijuana patients. In a 5-2 decision, the court found Prop. 215 does not limit an employer's
authority to fire workers for violating federal drug laws.
Marijuana possession and use is illegal under federal law.
A spokeswoman for the Chamber of Commerce said the organization could not comment until it examined the proposal. She did note the chamber's strong
opposition to Prop. 19 - the failed November ballot measure to legalize possession, use and cultivation of recreational marijuana in the state -
because of impacts on employers and safety issues.
E-mail Wyatt Buchanan at wbuchanan@sfchronicle.com.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/01/28/...
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Woooosh
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If you can't work without being on alcohol or drugs- perhaps it's time to apply for disability benefits. I'm not talking trace amount in people's
systems- I am talking about actively using while at work. Most workplaces already test for alcohol/drugs after any work-related injury so they won't
get hit with worker's comp claims. If you need it that bad, stay home and do it. jmho
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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This is really a tuff issue that might never be resolved because people in a free society like ours will get their hands on whatever they want whether
it is legal or not. It just might cost a little more if illegal. Today however medical MJ costs more than buying it off the streets. We as a society
must do a cost-vs-analysis of how much it cost to enforce the laws of the many different drugs vs not enforcing the law. Laws drafted by governments
set those norms and we as a society must obey the laws or face the consequences of arrest or firing from your job. IMO the laws on MJ are hurting
society both fiscally and spiritually more then the benefit the nation gains enforcing those costly laws. I voted for Prop 19 and my wife did not.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Lobsterman
This is really a tuff issue that might never be resolved because people in a free society like ours will get their hands on whatever they want whether
it is legal or not. It just might cost a little more if illegal. Today however medical MJ costs more than buying it off the streets. We as a society
must do a cost-vs-analysis of how much it cost to enforce the laws of the many different drugs vs not enforcing the law. Laws drafted by governments
set those norms and we as a society must obey the laws or face the consequences of arrest or firing from your job. IMO the laws on MJ are hurting
society both fiscally and spiritually more then the benefit the nation gains enforcing those costly laws. I voted for Prop 19 and my wife did not.
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Actually Lobsterman, I agree with you in part, for once. Med pot is a useful instrument for aiding the sic. It's just the other crapola out there that
is nutso stuff.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
All the laws and enforcement in the world will not keep people from getting high. Last week I went to a lumber yard in La Paz, I noticed a man who
looked to be in his sixties buying a small can of Resistol, when I left he was outside with a rag over his face sniffing it. It is an exercise in
futility to attempt to control drugs with prohibition, we have been trying to do that for a hundred years and the problem is worse than ever, the
ineffectiveness is evidenced by the price on the street. The only sane way forward is legalization and the treatment of drug abuse as a medical
problem. |
Agree overall ... first, as it is my right to stick a rag with glue to my nose and inhale, IF I CHOOSE to do it... it is my right to do what I want
with my body ....
Second, the government has no right to be on MY property, (well of course I'm NOB) based on the Constitution of the United States... AS LONG AS I'M
ONLY HURTING MYSELF...
Thirdly, Governments control the production of these "drugs" e.i the movement of production of smack from the "Golden Triangle" to Afganistan...
A four-year investigation concluded that Burma's national company Myanma Oil and Gas Enterprise (MOGE) was "the main channel for laundering the
revenues of heroin produced and exported under the control of the Burmese army." In a business deal signed with the French oil giant Total in 1992,
and later joined by Unocal, MOGE received a payment of $15 million. "Despite the fact that MOGE has no assets besides the limited installments of its
foreign partners and makes no profit, and that the Burmese state never had the capacity to allocate any currency credit to MOGE, the Singapore bank
accounts of this company have seen the transfer of hundreds of millions of US dollars," reports François Casanier. According to a confidential MOGE
file reviewed by the investigators, funds exceeding $60 million and originating from Myanmar's most renowned drug lord, Khun Sa, were channeled
through the company. "Drug money is irrigating every economic activity in Burma, and big foreign partners are also seen by the SLORC as big shields
for money laundering."[5] Banks in Rangoon offered money laundering for a 40% commission.[6]
The main player in the country's drug market is the United Wa State Army, ethnic fighters who control areas along the country's eastern border with
Thailand, part of the infamous Golden Triangle. The UWSA, an ally of Myanmar's ruling military junta, was once the militant arm of the Beijing-backed
Burmese Communist Party.
Poppy cultivation in the country decreased more than 80 percent from 1998 to 2006 following an eradication campaign in the Golden Triangle. Officials
with the United Nations Office of Drugs and Crime say opium poppy farming is now expanding. The number of hectares used to grow the crops increased
29% in 2007. A United Nations report cites corruption, poverty and a lack of government control as causes for the jump.[7] |
At one point Khun Sa offered to sell the entire opium crop to the US for much less than we spend on interdiction, but we declined,
of course.
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Another win for the NRA. The "emergency" clause was intended for natural disasters say a gov't office.
"Mexico drug violence not an 'emergency,' White House says
Rule requiring gun stores to report multiple sales of assault rifles, other long guns, delayed"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41495274/from/RSS/
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
California bill SB129 proposes to ban firing employees for testing positive to Marijuana
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/01/29/...
Bill would limit firings of medical pot users
Wyatt Buchanan, Chronicle Sacramento Bureau
Saturday, January 29, 2011
Rich Pedroncelli / Associated Press
Mark Leno's bill would ban employers from considering a worker's status as a registered medical marijuana patient or a positive drug test when making
hiring and firing decisions.
Californians who use medical marijuana outside of work would be protected from job dismissal due to pot use under a bill that has been introduced by
state Sen. Mark Leno, D-San Francisco.
The bill, SB129, would make it illegal for an employer to consider either a worker's status as a registered patient or a positive drug test when
making hiring and firing decisions. The bill would not change existing laws that bar employees from using medical marijuana at the workplace or during
work hours.
Workers such as health care providers, school bus drivers and operators of heavy equipment - so-called "safety-sensitive positions" - would not be
protected by the law.
"The bill simply establishes a medical cannabis patient's right to work," Leno said. He called it "a completely reasonable piece of legislation. It
astounds me that there would be any controversy around it."
While the proposal has yet to garner formal opposition, the California Chamber of Commerce opposed a bill that would have created the same protections
for medical marijuana patients in 2007.
That bill, authored by Leno, was passed by the Legislature but vetoed by former Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger. In his veto message, Schwarzenegger wrote
he was "concerned with the interference in employment decisions as they relate to marijuana use" and that employment protection was not a goal of
Prop. 215, which voters passed in 1996 to allow medical marijuana.
Leno said the notion that voters only intended for unemployed people to be able to take medical marijuana is "nonsensical on its face."
The effort to pass such a law stems from a California Supreme Court decision in 2008 that allowed employers to fire workers who test positive for
marijuana use, even if those workers are medical marijuana patients. In a 5-2 decision, the court found Prop. 215 does not limit an employer's
authority to fire workers for violating federal drug laws.
Marijuana possession and use is illegal under federal law.
A spokeswoman for the Chamber of Commerce said the organization could not comment until it examined the proposal. She did note the chamber's strong
opposition to Prop. 19 - the failed November ballot measure to legalize possession, use and cultivation of recreational marijuana in the state -
because of impacts on employers and safety issues.
E-mail Wyatt Buchanan at wbuchanan@sfchronicle.com.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/01/28/... |
If a person can be fired for legally
using marijuana with a doctors prescription, could they also be fired for using a prescribed pain killer or anti-psychotic drug that have potentially
more dangerous side effects?
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What are you talking about durrelllrobert ?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
I got 25 years of the life to back up my knowledge of the drug world. |
did you mean " I got 25 years TO life to back up my knowledge of the drug world"
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Good to bad. A history
http://www.adn.com/hooked/
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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The simplest solution is usually the best.  Just cut out all the BS and
legalise pot.
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