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Cypress
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The Tragedy of the Commons. Same old story.
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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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igor...I used the wrong words...what I meant to explain was that every year...annually, shrimping is not allowed for a time during what is referred to
as a reproductive time...sounds like they plan to announce when it will open again. I didnt get that it was closed indefinately or forever...but that
it was a closure for reproductive time which they do with lots of species like lobster, abalone, caracol, clams, oysters etc.
the fisheries here do active analysis and evaluations of stocks and establish quotas from that data. Open seasons are based on when they arent
reproducing or spawning.
excellent points redhilltown, pescador, spearo.
It would make it a happy day for me and the ocean to see commercial shrimping disappear
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Russ
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6 shrimpers parked out front this windy morning.
Bahia Concepcion where life starts...given a chance!
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Because to leave Baja California out of the no fish zone would mean all the other shrimpers would flood to San Felipe to continue to make a living!!!
That is crazy, not 'responsible'!
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same thing happened when salmon fishing was cut off in oregon; the commercial boats just all moved down
to half moon bay, CA
Bob Durrell
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Pescador
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
most all natural resource harvest industries need regulation, otherwise you will see short-sighted harvesting with no regard for sustaining the
resources.
solo fishermen do a very poor job of self-regulating. govt control of seasons is best means of sustaining species. the fishing coops are themselves
govt-type organizations. maintaining sustainable fish stocks does not occur without regulation by a unified body, be it govt agency or coop (I assume
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One of the real problems with governmental regulation occurs when political ideology gets in the way of common sense and truth. Witness the closures
that have happened in California where a vocal minority were able to close off major areas to any recreational fishing. That was overkill even
admitted by the more sane environmentalists involved but the far left thinkers were able to get the closures done because they had more political
clout and strength.
Another example is the complete strangulation of the oil drilling and development which puts us at the mercy of the Middle East when there is
enough oil to solve the whole problem by opening up ANWAR, but the environmentalists have such an aversion to even considering what might be at stake
that they are unable to even consider whether or not that drilling there might be an acceptable option.
So, as with this discussion, I am afraid that one's political pre-disposition will always cloud the facts to the point of making it very hard to
come up with sensible, common-sense solutions. If the balance was just maintained between the two sides and they were able to come to the table with
reason and sensibility, then I am sure that solutions could be developed where everybody wins. Neither side seems to have quite the correct solution.
The real problem seems to be that neither side has it completely figured out.
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CaboRon
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What is ANWAR ?
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Cypress
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The Alaska National Wildlife Reserve.
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monoloco
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I'm sure that the day will come when ANWAR is exploited, anything that delays that is probably good because when the Saudis run dry we will really
need that resource. Currently there is an oil glut on the world market, the oil in ANWAR isn't going anywhere, just imagine what it will be worth in
50 or 100 years.
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LaloinBaja
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Yeah...The "mordida" thing will line some pockets...Who's going to patrol the areas???? They will be on the take to....for sure...Lalo
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Cypress
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monoloco, What will it be worth in 50 to 100 yrs.? Nothing! We can only hope!
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LaloinBaja
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Shrimp Area Fisheries Closures
 Joke here is...The Mexican Government operates on a graft system...So nothing
will really change...EXCEPT...more pockets will be lined with gold
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woody with a view
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ANWAR. 100 acres in the middle of 100,000 square miles.
you tree hugger's are really something! why not just outlaw oil altogether, now that the chinese are drilling off florida. we should just go back to
walking.....
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Cypress
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by woody with a view[ we should just go back to walking..... |
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The way things are going that's not gonna be an option., it's gonna be the way it is.
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norte
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Boy how this thread has morphed. Typical nomads.. Jump before thinking, and then as the truth comes out...rant with emotion.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by norte
Boy how this thread has morphed. Typical nomads.. Jump before thinking, and then as the truth comes out...rant with emotion. |
...and then get really peey and take their toys and go home.
you can't go home again. the boomers have destroyed it.
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