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Oddjob
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So I'm trying to understand this whole thing and it sounds like some poor guy was arrested and jailed in Mexico for almost three and a half years
without being charged with a crime solely for eating some tacos with a couple of suspected narcos. What a mess the Mexican legal system is with their
primitive justice system of guilty until proven innocent. Three years in jail could easily ruin the rest of your life but everyone seems to think OK,
glad you are back with your loved ones etc. and that it all worked out. Where is the outrage from everyone? This could happen to anyone that lives in
Baja.
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gnukid
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Let's say you arrive in a foreign place called Los Barriles supposedly on vacation, then someone asks you to evaluate real estate and help with
purchasing, carry money or paperwork, but the buyer was someone you just met motorcycling and you shared hotdogs and beers and so forth, are you
guilty of conspiracy to launder illicit funds if you failed to ask where the money came from and for failing to do due diligence? Are you responsible
for taking part in a crime ring without knowing who the people you work with? What if one is a FBI/DEA informant and is setting you up to avoid his
own charges? Are you guilty of conspiracy, generally yes? Can you attempt to prove you are innocent? maybe? Whose fault is it for being involved,
naive and busted-it's your own fault.
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Oddjob
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Lots of what ifs and FBI/DEA conspiracy theories by you, but the fact remains that this person's basic rights were violated. You are blaming the
victim once again instead of admitting that the Mexican judicial system is at fault. Maybe you are trying to sell some real estate or something and
you're just trying to sweep this under the table.
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gnukid
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Hey Oddjob
These are the facts of the case.
Be careful out there and be aware there are bad elements out there, including poorly trained FBI/DEA who fail.
If you have any questions do an internet search and read the official reports on pavel+kulisek+barriles use a timeline feature and go back
chronologically, its very clear what the facts are.
Be aware anywhere you go there are a % criminal people, sociopaths, antisocial narcistic criminal people who will use you and throw you to the wolves.
They exist everywhere, sometimes they have names like cartel or mafia, sometimes they do not, either way they are very charismatic and convincing.
You can consider the total population, do a sample, a portion or corrupted and quite pleased about it, that includes people in US law enforcement,
banking, politics, they are your bernie madoffs, be careful about people who earn money easily, productivity is hard not easy.
Better to work in the garden, make your way, be your own person and avoid get rich quick schemes, Real Estate flipping, if it sounds too good, it is.
[Edited on 8-22-2011 by gnukid]
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Oddjob
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Thanks for the advice, I don't know how I've managed to survive for so long without it. Why can't you admit that this poor guy was railroaded instead
of comparing this to Bernie Madoff and other scammers? Sitting in a Mexican prison for three plus years without being charged is the issue, not get
rich quick schemes.
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drarroyo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Oddjob
Thanks for the advice, I don't know how I've managed to survive for so long without it. |
Hey Fulano. This guy made some naive (sp) moves.
Lots of folks in LB know of this.
Glad he's out of this nightmare.
Now crawl back in your hole.
besos
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Regardless of who oddjob is, both he and gnukid are correct!
The U.S. does have covert agents operating there. While we couldn't know if they would try to set you up unless it happens to you or someone you know,
you must entertain the idea that it is possible.
The Mexican (lack of) Justice System is corrupt and there is no protection there. One must be vigilant as to who he befriends and always look for a
hidden agenda. If he doesn't he is naive and at the same time, a victim. In that sense he does bear some personal responsibility. However, the poor
guy who went to prison appears to unknowingly have dined with wrong people at the wrong time. I guess he is lucky they weren't all taken out by cartel
assassins.
The Mexican Justice System is notoriously backwards, corrupt and brutally unfair. It always has been. Don't look for the U.S. Consulate to be of help.
They do NOT intervene. You are on your own, in a foreign country, with no civil rights.
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Oddjob
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| Quote: | Hey Fulano. This guy made some naive (sp) moves.
Lots of folks in LB know of this.
Glad he's out of this nightmare.
Now crawl back in your hole.
besos |
FYI,
I am not Fulano and your two cents worth of comment adds nothing to this thread.
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drarroyo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
One must be vigilant as to who he befriends and always look for a hidden agenda. If he doesn't he is naive and at the same time, a victim. In that
sense he does bear some personal responsibility. However, the poor guy who went to prison appears to unknowingly have dined with wrong people at the
wrong time. |
Yes it's very unfortunate and unjust. But it wasn't JUST a matter of dining at the wrong time. Gnu has already elaborated upon what many here in LB
know.
salut
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drarroyo
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by Oddjob
Hey Fulano. This guy made some naive (sp) moves.
Lots of folks in LB know of this.
Glad he's out of this nightmare.
Now crawl back in your hole.
besos |
FYI,
I am not Fulano and your two cents worth of comment adds nothing to this thread. |
riiiight
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JoeJustJoe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by drarroyo
| Quote: | Originally posted by Oddjob
Thanks for the advice, I don't know how I've managed to survive for so long without it. |
Hey Fulano. This guy made some naive (sp) moves.
Lots of folks in LB know of this.
Glad he's out of this nightmare.
Now crawl back in your hole.
besos |
It's nice to see others can spot this second handle when he pollutes this site with his anti-Mexico theme, and vain attempt to keep Americans from
visiting or living in Mexico.
Yes it's unfortunate this poor guy spent years in a Mexico jail but the good thing is Mexico doesn't have capital punishment so at least the guy
didn't have to worry about getting executed by mistake that happens much more than it should in the USA especially with poor minorities of color.
Mexico like the United States has a unfair justice system or two tier justice system for the rich and poor. Like the USA if you have money in Mexico
your chances of getting off are so much greater.
I'm surprise this person wasn't offered bail in Mexico. Because I have known, and heard of people charged of a serious crime in Mexico, but many of
them are let out of prison on bail, and once out on bail. It's very unlikely they ever go back to prison, and they just wait forever until their case
goes thought the Mexican justice system.
There are some charges that aren't eligible for bail, and this might be one of them. So really I'm just talking in general, because I don't know all
the details of this case.
[Edited on 8-22-2011 by JoeJustJoe]
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baja1943
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JoeJustJoe
| Quote: | Originally posted by drarroyo
| Quote: | Originally posted by Oddjob
Thanks for the advice, I don't know how I've managed to survive for so long without it. |
Hey Fulano. This guy made some naive (sp) moves.
Lots of folks in LB know of this.
Glad he's out of this nightmare.
Now crawl back in your hole.
besos |
Thanks for posting your racist views on a subject you know nothing about. Were you ever in Mexico,
troll?
It's nice to see others can spot this second handle when he pollutes this site with his anti-Mexico theme, and vain attempt to keep Americans from
visiting or living in Mexico.
Yes it's unfortunate this poor guy spent years in a Mexico jail but the good thing is Mexico doesn't have capital punishment so at least the guy
didn't have to worry about getting executed by mistake that happens much more than it should in the USA especially with poor minorities of color.
Mexico like the United States has a unfair justice system or two tier justice system for the rich and poor. Like the USA if you have money in Mexico
your chances of getting off are so much greater.
I'm surprise this person wasn't offered bail in Mexico. Because I have known, and heard of people charged of a serious crime in Mexico, but many of
them are let out of prison on bail, and once out on bail. It's very unlikely they ever go back to prison, and they just wait forever until their case
goes thought the Mexican justice system.
There are some charges that aren't eligible for bail, and this might be one of them. So really I'm just talking in general, because I don't know all
the details of this case.
[Edited on 8-22-2011 by JoeJustJoe] |
Thanks for posting your racist views on a subject you know nothing
about. Were you ever in Mexico, troll
[Edited on 8-22-2011 by baja1943]
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Oddjob
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J.Joe's Baja travels are limited to the alleys in the Zona Del Norte.
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