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DENNIS
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I was going by shape and body language. No way of knowing for sure, (unless Jesse was there), but I'd say early adolescent girl.
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Not me. I would say....sexually confused man, who was just savagely molested by a fat US border cop, dripping with weapons and a voracious appetite.
He was trying to clear his throat from the foul taste of wasted tax dollars.
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Bajahowodd
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Free trade is great for emerging nations, and those countries that host huge populations who are ill-educated.
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Actually, according to the data, "free trade" (it really isn't), has devastated developing nations. An example that comes to mind is Mexican farmers
having to compete against the government-subsidized American agribusiness model.
You are on the money when it comes to the US having to accept Third World wages in order to compete these days. But that was the plan all along.
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On the other hand, when shopping in the US, it seems that a large amount of Mexican produce is available in virtually all major markets, at what
appear to be competitive prices.
Comes to mind both the Los Pinos operation in San Quintin, and the Los Cabos cooperative near Todos.
I'm guessing that the victims in this situation are the underpaid workers.
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pappy
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how do we know it's actually food being exchanged in that photo?
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JESSE
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how do we know it's actually food being exchanged in that photo? |
Maybe its some sniffy yeyo
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Bajatripper
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Free trade is great for emerging nations, and those countries that host huge populations who are ill-educated.
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Actually, according to the data, "free trade" (it really isn't), has devastated developing nations. An example that comes to mind is Mexican farmers
having to compete against the government-subsidized American agribusiness model.
You are on the money when it comes to the US having to accept Third World wages in order to compete these days. But that was the plan all along.
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On the other hand, when shopping in the US, it seems that a large amount of Mexican produce is available in virtually all major markets, at what
appear to be competitive prices.
Comes to mind both the Los Pinos operation in San Quintin, and the Los Cabos cooperative near Todos.
I'm guessing that the victims in this situation are the underpaid workers. |
You are right in this observation. But what doesn't get seen is that much of the production in Mexican agriculture is being financed by transnational
corporations, which are highly mechanized.
While in Baja California they didn't displace many people (if any) to put lands into production, the same can't be said of regions such as the Bajio
in Central Mexico, where lands that were historically used to feed Mexicans have been taken over by these operations and are now producing for the
foreign market. Hence, less food is being produced in Mexico for Mexicans, making Mexicans depend on imported food, the production of which is heavily
subsidized by foreign governments (the US isn't the only industrialized nation that doesn't respect the "no government assitance" clauses of trade
deals like NAFTA).
When mechanized agricultural operations (Green Revolution technology developed in the 1950s onward that is reliant on heavy inputs of pesticides and
fertilizers and needs much more water than the crops it replaces, placing it out of the reach of your average Mexican farmer) take over lands
previously used for small-scale farming operations, a collateral effect is it also displaces the Mexicans who use to work those lands ("mechanized"
means they no longer need so many workers). They, in turn, have no choice but to migrate elsewhere, swelling the "colonias populares" of places like
Mexico City or, better yet, they go north to the US. Then "we" complain about all the Mexicans who are in the US illegally, yet our unfair (remember
those US government subsidies) agricultural system is the direct cause of much of that movement of people.
These companies often operate through Mexican subsidiaries so they don't take so much heat in their doings.
There most certainly is but one side to every story: the TRUTH. Variations of it are nothing but lies.
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Cypress
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Free trade? Will we never learn? Nothing in this day and age is really "free". Someone is picking up the tab. The question is who? Take a look in the
mirror.
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You have any idea on how much of that is GMO crops? My understanding is that the Mexican government has tried to limit their incursion, but this is
big international money talking... (and backed in various ways by the U.S. government, I imagine...) |
Yea. The Mexican govt. is all about keeping GMO crops off the market.
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Bajatripper
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You have any idea on how much of that is GMO crops? My understanding is that the Mexican government has tried to limit their incursion, but this is
big international money talking... (and backed in various ways by the U.S. government, I imagine...) |
Sorry, my articles are a bit dated and don't include GMO info.
There most certainly is but one side to every story: the TRUTH. Variations of it are nothing but lies.
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wessongroup
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Yep would sure like to see the Supreme Court take this one up... however, they won't touch it with a ten foot pole...
Life cannot have a patent on it ... IMHO .. .
Montsanto and others started buying up all the seed Companies back in the 70's ... with heated debate and no solutions...
Again we can thank Congress .... yeah, those guys..
Now let's see, which party can we try and place blame on ...
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