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About Freddy Fender, from wiki:
"He took [the name] Fender from the guitar and amplifier, and Freddy because the alliteration sounded good and would "...sell better with Gringos!""
So, it was actually the other way around.
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Santiago
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Well, this thread has gone into interesting ways but I still don'tknow if I can actually get a tour of the place. Anyone know? Maybe some of you
guys who live in the area can stop by and check it out? I've sent an e-mail to corporate but don't hold out for a response.
Does essence predate existence?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
Keith Richards. You do know who the Rolling Stones, are, yes?  |
Yes... Although confused that Wesson would be on a first name basis. I know several guitarists named Keith and coincidentally all, including
the famous drug addled one can't play worth $h!t. |
Was just the "text" that was associated with that photograph of what is reported to be a 1953 Fender Tele... by the owner
Sorry, thought it was understood it was a quote... like I know the Stones on a first name basis...
As for the condition.. don't think the owner is too worried about this one's overall cosmetic looks ... or selling ...
I like the older dented and nicked up ones my self, lot more comfortable playing.. not worrying about "dings" and some of that other stuff... that
happens to mine...
It all good... like Neil Young's old ax too...strangely also a 1953 .. but a Gibson LP Gold top ... "Old Black" now he's got some old tube stuff... a
real nut on it... and gets some really nice tones and feedback working ... if ya like that kind of thing 
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I keep doing this!
Went overboard - again......
sorry....
sigh...
[Edited on 11-28-2011 by The Sculpin]
Whoa there, Cowboy - pull back on those reins!
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That guitar is beautiful just the way it is...original or not. No one keeps the "ashtrays" over the bridge...they are taken off and hopefully kept in
the case just to leave it as original as possible if you might sell it some day. And I apologize for not keeping to the original intention of the
thread.
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Roberto
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Chill out Sculpin. I said the guitar is not original, something you apparently agree with, not that it wasn't manufactured in 1953.
Keith Richards is a very good rhythm guitarist, IMO, but are you saying he's a great musician? And recreational drug use? Is that what you call heroin
addiction?
And yes, I definitely see a difference between my American Standard stratocaster and the Mexican one. Huge difference? Probably not.
I play guitars, not collect them, so you may well know more than I do about such trivia, but that makes no difference to me. You want to give me some
information I don't have do it, otherwise, go pee in another campfire.
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I would say all the members of the Stones are great musicians. Just lasting as long as they have and still rock live to the level that they do is
extraordinary.
by the way........... Rolling Stone Mag just put out their 100 greatest guitarists of all time and Keith is in the top ten....................
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-guitari...
[Edited on 11-28-2011 by tripledigitken]
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wessongroup
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
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I would think that Henry Garza is of a different opinion. Although he "mixes and matches", he uses mexi_strats exclusively. Through a set of serial
wired twins they sound great! |
If so, he is one of the few. Even I can see the difference in quality between a U.S. built-Strat and one made in Mexico. |
Picked up a Tele (Mexican made) used off ebay cheap ... not too bad a sound to me ... like the "Slinky strings" on it.. too... over "bright wire"...  on the tele... on a strat... like the brit wires ..
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
Rolling Stone Mag just put out their 100 greatest guitarists of all time and Keith is in the top ten....................
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A joke. A list of R&R guitarists compiled by rockers. Any one of these guys, if they chose to play rock, could out perform the top ten
combined:
Jim Hall
Pat Martino
George Benson
Pat Metheny
Barney Kessel
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Another view... of sounds..
I remember being in junior high school, hearing "Satisfaction" and being freaked out by what it did to me. It's a combination of the riff and the
chords moving underneath it. Keith wrote two-and three-note themes that were more powerful than any great solo. He played the vibrato rhythm and the
lead guitar in "Gimme Shelter." I don't think anyone has ever created a mood that dark and sinister. There is a clarity between those two guitars that
leaves this ominous space for Mick Jagger to sing through. Nobody does alternate tunings better than Keith. I remember playing the chorus to "Beast of
Burden." I'm like, "These are the right chords, but they don't sound anything like Keith." He had some cool tuning, a beautiful chord so well-tuned
that it sings. That is the core of every great guitar part on a Rolling Stones record. Keith finds the tuning that allows the work – the fretting,
muting strings – to get out of the way of what he's feeling.
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-guitari...
Saw them preform that little "ditty" at Altmont .. with rather striking results..
And I like George Benson too ...
Best advise I ever heard, Wynton Marsalis .. "Don't worry about mistakes, everyone makes them".. "just play"..
[Edited on 11-28-2011 by wessongroup]
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Sigh - I know I'm going to regret this....but to repeat myself - Dave, you're an idiot. First off, you forgot a few off your list - Robben Ford, John
Mclaughlin, Joe Pass, hell - even George Winston!! Now all these guys are fantastic musicians - wait - add Jennifer Batten, but here's what you don't
understand - every one of those musicians would love to have Keef's ability to keep it simple, keep it melodic, create a great hook, and do it in 3
chords or less - for 50 years!!! As you state, "if these guys wanted to play rock" - well, Keef plays jazz, he plays disco/funk, he plays country,
he's even played a little metal! His whole philosophy revolves around what is important for the song - not the band or the individual players. That's
why he's in the top 10. That said, I'm sure he would be the first to say he doesn't belong there and that there are a thousand "real" musicians that
deserve the honor more than he - and a thousand musicians would probably disagree.
By the way - caught some great waves a few weeks ago on the east cape. Hot, glassy, uncrowded and fun. Been way too long.......
Whoa there, Cowboy - pull back on those reins!
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Dave
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Absurd
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Keef plays jazz |
He's lucky to differentiate between a major and dominant 7th chord. Where would you have heard him play jazz?
I know several preeminent jazz guitarists and have heard none complement his work or respect his talent. I'd bet all would probably agree that he
"keeps it simple", though.
BTW, Robben Ford, Jennifer Batten and George Winston don't deserve mention in the same paragraph with John Mclaughlin, Joe Pass.
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C'mon you guys. To quote Herman Cain you are comparing apples to melons. Er...um...oranges. I have seen the Mahavishnu Orchestra more than
once...B.B. a zillion times...Richard Thompson...Keith...they are all great and comparing really doesn't make any sense.
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Wwwweeeelllllll, getting back to the orginal question, I received an email from a Customer Relations Rep at Fender saying they do not have tours in
Ensenada but they have recently open a new facility in Corona that does have a public facility.
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Roberto
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
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Keef plays jazz |
He's lucky to differentiate between a major and dominant 7th chord. Where would you have heard him play jazz?
I know several preeminent jazz guitarists and have heard none complement his work or respect his talent. I'd bet all would probably agree that he
"keeps it simple", though.
BTW, Robben Ford, Jennifer Batten and George Winston don't deserve mention in the same paragraph with John Mclaughlin, Joe Pass.
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BTW, Dave. Listening to John McLaughlin for more than 10 minutes causes me to break out in hives. Sure knows his stuff, though.
But, a discussion for another time. Maybe over a Pastrami Sandwich? Oh wait, you don't make those any more? hmmmm. Maybe the genius baker could make
me happy?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Santiago
Wwwweeeelllllll, getting back to the orginal question, I received an email from a Customer Relations Rep at Fender saying they do not have tours in
Ensenada but they have recently open a new facility in Corona that does have a public facility. |
Check your u2u
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Not Fender, but.............The Taylor Guitar tour in Santee, CA is very interesting.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Santiago
Wwwweeeelllllll, getting back to the orginal question, I received an email from a Customer Relations Rep at Fender saying they do not have tours in
Ensenada but they have recently open a new facility in Corona that does have a public facility. |
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Ya gotta know the right people...to repost:
FYI
Some years ago while I was in practice in Anaheim Hills (Near Fullerton) California I had most of the key personnel of Fender as patients; Bill
Schultz, President & his wife Mary Jane, Bob Sandell, Vice President & his wife ?? and the production manager, Bashar Deseralli, and a number
of production personnel.
Bill was a huge man,6-3 or 6-4 tall. After WW11 he had been a tackle on the Northwestern University foot ball team. I was told he was also musical
multitalented could play just about every musical instrument ever made.
Bob was the chosen son to replace Bill upon retirement....Then Fender was placed on the block for sale. Bob gathered some investors to purchase the
company and place him in as the President...This did no set well with Bill Schultz so he also gathered some investors and purchased the company.
Bob exited stage left and for a while was president of Anvil case company, until he found a better position in Boston.
At that time I was very personally interested in the emerging field of "robotics" as was Bill for adaptation to the production of gitars. Over a
several year period we shared articles we had gleaned from various sources.
Bashar, who at that time lived in San Luis Obispo and comutted weekly announced that he was moving to Mexico as the manager of Fender's new modern
facility south of Ensendada and invited me to stop in some time for a visit.
About a year later my wife Betty and I paid the plant a visit..It was very difficult to find, on a dusty side street,with only a small business size
card identifying it as a Fender plant. As luck would have it Bashar was at a meeting in Fullerton but his red headed assistant plant manager gave us
the million dollar tour.
We were pleasantly surprised and impressed by the nowledge and professionalism of the key Mexican employees and the cleanliness of the plant.
Sorry to hear that it was destroyed by fire,
SDM
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