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Bob and Susan
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
In order to combat international child abduction or the exploitation of minors, Article 215 of Mexico’s Ley General de Población requires that minor
non-Mexican children
leaving Mexico
must be accompanied by both parents or guardians or be prepared to present written authorization to travel from the absent parent or parents.
The child must be carrying the original letter – not a faxed or scanned copy – as well as proof of the parent/child relationship (usually a birth
certificate) – and an original custody decree, if applicable. |
this is NOT the mexican law...its the usa website with THEIR understanding
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it has to do with "leaving mexico" not entering OR vacationing
have you ever been stopped by the mexicans when leaving the country : )
again...a made up rule by people in the usa
notarized stuff from the usa means nothing in mexico
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Bob, I am sorry to disagree here with you, but anything notarized does carry more weight,... and since I used to have these permit slips as part of
going to Baja, mine were for the Mexican immigration, entering Mexico... IF ASKED FOR. The Americans coming home didn't need anything from us because
we were minors.
Myself and two friends (16, 16 and 17 years of age) entered at Mexicali and were asked our ages... then we were told "you are too young to be in
Mexico"...
I responded "We have the necessary papers!".
The officer replied: "You have the necessary papers?"
... and I responded, "Yes, we have the necessary papers!"
The officer smiled real big and said "PASA, HAVE A GOOD TIME!!"
It was one of those special moments that make Baja a happy place for me... At least I didn't say: "Papers? We don't need no stinking papers!"
Of course, he never actually asked to see our 'necessary papers', but we had them!
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norte
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And DavidK. what year was that? and might it be irrelevant now?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
In order to combat international child abduction or the exploitation of minors, Article 215 of Mexico’s Ley General de Población requires that minor
non-Mexican children
leaving Mexico
must be accompanied by both parents or guardians or be prepared to present written authorization to travel from the absent parent or parents.
The child must be carrying the original letter – not a faxed or scanned copy – as well as proof of the parent/child relationship (usually a birth
certificate) – and an original custody decree, if applicable. |
this is NOT the mexican law...its the usa website with THEIR understanding
and
it has to do with "leaving mexico" not entering OR vacationing
have you ever been stopped by the mexicans when leaving the country : )
again...a made up rule by people in the usa
notarized stuff from the usa means nothing in mexico
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Bob,
Two years ago my wife and I towed a boat down to BOLA. The boat and truck belonged to a friend of mine. We had Insurance, truck registration, a letter
giving me permission to drive in Baja, but we did not have the boat registration. the mexicans made us go thru the gate on the left and re-enter the
US, where they made us go to secondary and they wanted to conficate all of our food. We got the boat registration and re-entered mexico. the mexicans
checked all my paper work again and said because the permission letter was not notarized they wanted to send us back to the US again.
So, I am assuming they do respect US notary and that children would be more important the property.
A man never stands as tall as when he kneels to help a child.
Knights of Pythagoras
Funny how falling feels like flying
for a little while - Bad Blake
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mcfez
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Most banks, if you are a client, notarized forms are free.
Better safe than sorry.....regardless of the law.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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bajario
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So are Tourist Visas needed for our own children or just us legal beer drinkers?
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
In order to combat international child abduction or the exploitation of minors, Article 215 of Mexico’s Ley General de Población requires that minor
non-Mexican children
leaving Mexico
must be accompanied by both parents or guardians or be prepared to present written authorization to travel from the absent parent or parents.
The child must be carrying the original letter – not a faxed or scanned copy – as well as proof of the parent/child relationship (usually a birth
certificate) – and an original custody decree, if applicable. |
this is NOT the mexican law...its the usa website with THEIR understanding
and
it has to do with "leaving mexico" not entering OR vacationing
have you ever been stopped by the mexicans when leaving the country : )
again...a made up rule by people in the usa
notarized stuff from the usa means nothing in mexico
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we have a choice. behind door 1 is internet forum info based on 3rd- and 4th-hand anecdotes. behind door 2 is the guidance listed on Mexican govt
website, the US State dept website, most cruise lines and most airlines. it's a free country, your choice!
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desertcpl
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| Quote: | Originally posted by norte
And DavidK. what year was that? and might it be irrelevant now? |
yes Dk
lets talk about today,, the whole world was different then,,
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I started traveling to Baja without my parents when I was 16... and went with other friends also under 18... that was in 1974/5... They DID require
and ask for notarized permission slips from our parents then.
In the early 2000's when my son took a school-friend on one of our camping trips (twice)... I had a permission slip from his parents... but was NEVER
asked to show it.
As with the tourist card... BETTER TO HAVE IT and NOT NEED IT, THEN to need it and not have it!!! |
For those who keep asking what year was that... the above was posted in THIS thread, so all you need to do is look up...
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Bob and Susan
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americans HAVE to remember a notary is different in mexico
an american notary is NOT the same as a mexican notary
regular american notarized papers are not legal in mexico
DK if you find the mexican law...then post it...
otherwise its just another "urban myth"
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
americans HAVE to remember a notary is different in mexico
an american notary is NOT the same as a mexican notary
regular american notarized papers are not legal in mexico
DK if you find the mexican law...then post it...
otherwise its just another "urban myth" |
Bob and Susan
I am very puzzled by this. Perhaps things have changed in 35 years, but when I went to the Mexican consulate to ask about this, they didn't tell me
that there was a difference between notaries in the US and in Mexico. They just said a "notarized letter" was required from the other parent, giving
me permission to take the kids into Mexico. I assumed that the notarized letter could be prepared in the US by an American notary, and that's what I
did. Admittedly, it was only checked once in twenty years, but that time it was checked VERY carefully on entry in Mexicali, and I was with all three
kids. The Mexican immigration guy who checked it at the airport had no problem with the fact that it was in English and it was notarized by an
American notary. After carefully looking at all three notarized letters and all three of the kid's birth certificates, they sent us on our way. Do
you think that things have now changed and a Mexican notary is required??
carpe diem!
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In regards to tourist visas needed, or if children can just be added to parents. If you are flying then everyone needs one. We drove down once, and
at the border, they didn't issue one for my 5 year old...leaving SJD by air, it was a big hassle, because we needed to purchase the visa there.
I believe rules have changed about traveling with permission, etc. I used to have a notarized letter from hubby, if he wasn't making the trip with
us. The last two times, the girls and I have flown down, and no permission was required in either direction. We do all have passports now, but no on
cared where daddy was.
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Going back and forth in the 70's to Mazatlan with my son, I had to always have his dad's death certificate on me. And it was frequently checked!
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Bob and Susan
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
Do you think that things have now changed and a Mexican notary is required?? |
no i'm not saying you need to have a mexican notario do paperwork for you...not at all
i say the "notarizied permission letter" is not required or even necessary for vacationers in baja
the perception of a need is just an "urban myth" passed on from gringo to gringo
as for the visas...if you ask and the children are young...
the child may be attached to the adults visa
saving the cost of a visa for that child
if you drive across and fly back ALL should have a visa
each FLYER needs a visa to board a plane
check with the imn person at the airport early
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mtgoat666
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more urban myths... truth or fiction????
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Bondy
Do you think that things have now changed and a Mexican notary is required?? |
i say the "notarizied permission letter" is not required or even necessary for vacationers in baja
the perception of a need is just an "urban myth" passed on from gringo to gringo
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from Hillary Clinton herself: http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_970.html
"Minors: Mexican law requires that any non-Mexican citizen under the age of 18 departing Mexico must carry notarized written permission from any
parent or guardian not traveling with the child to or from Mexico. This permission must include the name of the parent, the name of the child, the
name of anyone traveling with the child, and the notarized signature(s) of the absent parent(s). The State Department recommends that the permission
should include travel dates, destinations, airlines and a brief summary of the circumstances surrounding the travel. The child must be carrying the
original letter – not a facsimile or scanned copy – as well as proof of the parent/child relationship (usually a birth certificate or court document)
– and an original custody decree, if applicable. Travelers should contact the Mexican Embassy or the nearest Mexican consulate for current
information."
also see: http://www.inm.gob.mx/index.php/page/pagina_principal/en.htm...
FINALLY, here is text from a mexican consulate website:
MINORS
Any person under 18 years of age is considered a minor. There are very strict govern regulations for minors traveling into Mexico.
If traveling alone, the minor must have a notarized * consent form , signed by both parents.
If traveling with only one parent, the minor must have a notarized * letter of consent signed by the parent not traveling.• If traveling with only one
parent and the other parent is deceased or the child has only one legal parent, you must bring the Divorce Court Resolution, showing who has the
custody of the child, a notarized * statement must be obtained as proof.
Airlines will also require the name, address and phone number of the person meeting the unaccompanied minor upon arrival in Mexico.
In all above cases children should have An American Passport or Birth certificate plus a photo ID. The I.D. can be obtained at the child school or at
the Department of Public Safety (D.P.S.). If the school does not issue a photo identification, is acceptable a letter with the school letterhead,
stating that the child is their student and it MUST contain a picture of the child, with the school stamp consealing the photo and the paper.
* The notary seal has to be current by the day of travel
see it online at: http://www.sre.gob.mx/austin/Documentacion/visas_FMT_eu_cand...
p.s. for you who still doubt, you can try calling the Embassy of Mexico at 1911 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20006, telephone (202)
736-1600, or any Mexican consulate in the United States.
[Edited on 10-10-2012 by mtgoat666]
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