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MMc
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Was there concrete in the buckets? Had a buddy do the same on the pacific side his was not staked down.
Tips for wind:
Set up with the wind in mind. sometimes we put a corner in the wind and let the bungee flex in the wind.
Put your truck/car as a windbreak.
The poles need to be able to stay on top of the soil, we use rocks or paper plates anything flat.
Also we will bury the buckets in sand or dirt like a dead-man. The week link is the handle so it was replaced with spectra.
Having a 100 Qt container filled with water tied to the center back really helps. The container is the storage vestal for the tarp parts.
Not having the bungees super tight helps.
Not screwing the downside pole tight also helps, It will allow the pole and fitting to move a bit. The tie-down keep the poles from lifting all the
way off.
Do not pulling the tie downs completely tight helps, like lofting a sail.
I have never done it but you could just pull the down-poles out and give a lower profile
We use are tarp year round and need cover from the rain.
"Never teach a pig to sing it frustrates you and annoys the pig" - W.C.Fields
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woody with a view
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i'll go out on a limb and say Don Jorge has one of these, or something very similar: http://www.cabelas.com/browse.cmd?categoryId=153410580
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MMc
My Vinyl is still water proof. It was not inexpensive but it was out lasted all my friends tarps and is used as much or more then there's. I believe
in getting the right product for the job and maintaining well.
I like a slight pitch, works better in the rain. If we're leaving camp when we have big wind we lift the backside on top.
This is about what we have with all poles being same. Much easier to pack same length polls.
http://creativeshelters1.reachlocal.net/Design-Tools/Cut-Lis... |
I like their approach, and prices too. Only couldn't make DIY tool work. Enter the values, click on "display my design", and nothing happens. I like
those heavy duty silver and green tarps that they have. What vinyl tarp do you have? The are mostly polyethylene.
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MMc
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The tarp is a custom made with this stuff.
http://www.shelterritetarps.com/
It's 14oz in a wine color. The seams are heat melted together and is super strong. I didn't go with a standard size because I wanted it to be as big
as I could and have it fit in the back of the truck. The truck bed was 87.5" long so 87" was the size. I wanted all poles the same length, so the tarp
had to be custom made. Form following function. Really happy with the whole thing 20+ years later.
The silver is cooler to be under.
If you ever see it up stop by. We'll have a cold one
[Edited on 9-9-2013 by MMc]
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MMC,
Where do we look for it?
Ken
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woody with a view
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......by the cactus, near the point.
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Don't suppose you have coordinates?
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MMc
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You'll know when you see it! There will be surf and good times for all.
"Coordinates" you guys are killing me, let me get out my map 
"Never teach a pig to sing it frustrates you and annoys the pig" - W.C.Fields
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I have been using a 10x10 low-pitch roof swap meet structure for years; it can also be converted to a 10x20 for larger groups as in the attached
picture with 3 additional fittings.
We wrap the sides with shade cloth to help cut out some, but not all of the wind, otherwise it would get too hot, plus cut down on the sun coming in
the sides. Because of the bungees that hold on the top there is less chance for it to take off in a strong wind; plus it vents heat better than an
"Easy-Up". I just this year had to order some new bungees as a few of the 8 year old ones were losing their stretch.
Definitely go with a top that is silver on top and white below. In this 2009 photo the one on the left was white on top and bottom, and a thinner
mil, and there was a considerable heat difference between the two with the left side being hotter. Both are currently silver topped, and the same
heavy mil thickness.
This is not really suitable for rain protection as we found out on Aug 25 of this year at midnight when the leading edge of Ivo hit us. Rain blows in
the front, drips in the middles and edges....not fun with 5 people trying to sleep and worrying about packing up for home in the rain in a few
hours....
BTW it takes around 2 hours start to finish to set up with 3 people, and the same to take down. So this is more for camping in an area where you will
be for several days.
I believe mine uses the 1 3/8" pipe. Most kits do not come with the poles, you have to go to Home Depot for those.
For the 10x10 you'll need 9 10-foot sections, of which you'll be cutting off ~4' for the leg poles, depending on how tall you want it.
For the 10x20 you'll need 15 10-foot sections, of which you'll be cutting off ~4' for 6 leg poles.
Although not cheap, and heavy, go with steel, not PVC
Also, if you want a 10x16, you can simply use 8-foot poles for the roof beam and sides rather than the 10 footers. They also make joiners to hook up
two sections, if you don’t have the room to haul 10 or 8 foot lengths of pipe.
I got my kit off eBay, but don't recall the seller. I got the "Heavy-duty" kit that included the fittings, bungees, and the tarp. The "medium-duty"
had smaller diameter eye-bolts to attach the poles to the fittings, a less mil-thickness on the tarp, and steel eyelet on the trap rather than brass.
The "light-duty" one down-grades to 1 inch or maybe 3/4 inch pipe (definitely not suitable for Baja ). I also got the foot pads that you can pile rocks on or use long spikes to nail into the ground for added wind
safety.
[Edited on 9-9-2013 by Taco de Baja]
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Buckets? At Punta Chivato the wind pulled the bails right out of their sockets on buckets filled with sand and seawater. The best anchors seem to be
tires with click ratchet tensioners and ultra-heavy duty bungees for shock absorbsion. I used a ripstop nylon parachute for years and years.
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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woody with a view
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
[Edited on 9-9-2013 by Taco de Baja] |
were there still trailers at the next bump to the north? just as you cross the salt flat heading north? last time in they looked pretty dug in and we
marveled at the nerves of steel to get them into that spot.... oh, and the Osprey nest right above you guys is pretty cool!
[Edited on 9-9-2013 by woody with a view]
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Taco de Baja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
were there still trailers at the next bump to the north? just as you cross the salt flat heading north? last time in they looked pretty dug in and we
marveled at the nerves of steel to get them into that spot.... oh, and the Osprey nest right above you guys is pretty cool!
[Edited on 9-9-2013 by woody with a view] |
No trailers or tents at that point this year. Completely deserted. That place seems to have different people in different conditions every time we
pass by. Several years ago as we were heading home a guy came running out of his tent to flag us down. He wanted to sell us almejas. He was
initially bummed when we declined. But perked up when we gave him a bunch of leftover food we could not bring back and did not really need: fruits,
veggies, chips, crackers, salami, and a half bottle of Cuervo. Man he was happy to see that!
Only people we really saw this trip were some guys from Punta Blanca who stopped by on our first night to see if we had some sodas and cervezas they
could have for their road trip into town [saw them again on our way out when we stopped at the La Virgen shrine near the paved road to pay our
respects, get some of the mud off, and discover I had a leaky tire. If we had not stopped, I may not have noticed and possibly blown it out on the
highway Thanks La Virgen!  . They offered to help, in the Baja tradition,
but I about had it plugged and declined.], and another couple of guys who drove all the way from Blanca the day it rained to see if we had some
lighters (on our last day). We of course gave them several lighters and most of our leftover sodas and beer.
There are some fishermen living on the point to the south, but we had no contact with them.
There were two Osprey nests this year.
Ill try to work up a photo trip report sometime soon....with key landmarks redacted, of course
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that house up on the point is a trip. cant imagine who built it way up there, but anyway.
redacted, of course!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
I have been using a 10x10 low-pitch roof swap meet structure for years; it can also be converted to a 10x20 for larger groups as in the attached
picture with 3 additional fittings.
We wrap the sides with shade cloth to help cut out some, but not all of the wind, otherwise it would get too hot, plus cut down on the sun coming in
the sides. Because of the bungees that hold on the top there is less chance for it to take off in a strong wind; plus it vents heat better than an
"Easy-Up". I just this year had to order some new bungees as a few of the 8 year old ones were losing their stretch.
Definitely go with a top that is silver on top and white below. In this 2009 photo the one on the left was white on top and bottom, and a thinner
mil, and there was a considerable heat difference between the two with the left side being hotter. Both are currently silver topped, and the same
heavy mil thickness.
This is not really suitable for rain protection as we found out on Aug 25 of this year at midnight when the leading edge of Ivo hit us. Rain blows in
the front, drips in the middles and edges....not fun with 5 people trying to sleep and worrying about packing up for home in the rain in a few
hours....
BTW it takes around 2 hours start to finish to set up with 3 people, and the same to take down. So this is more for camping in an area where you will
be for several days.
I believe mine uses the 1 3/8" pipe. Most kits do not come with the poles, you have to go to Home Depot for those.
For the 10x10 you'll need 9 10-foot sections, of which you'll be cutting off ~4' for the leg poles, depending on how tall you want it.
For the 10x20 you'll need 15 10-foot sections, of which you'll be cutting off ~4' for 6 leg poles.
Although not cheap, and heavy, go with steel, not PVC
Also, if you want a 10x16, you can simply use 8-foot poles for the roof beam and sides rather than the 10 footers. They also make joiners to hook up
two sections, if you don’t have the room to haul 10 or 8 foot lengths of pipe.
I got my kit off eBay, but don't recall the seller. I got the "Heavy-duty" kit that included the fittings, bungees, and the tarp. The "medium-duty"
had smaller diameter eye-bolts to attach the poles to the fittings, a less mil-thickness on the tarp, and steel eyelet on the trap rather than brass.
The "light-duty" one down-grades to 1 inch or maybe 3/4 inch pipe (definitely not suitable for Baja ). I also got the foot pads that you can pile rocks on or use long spikes to nail into the ground for added wind
safety.
[Edited on 9-9-2013 by Taco de Baja] |
Huddo! Wonder if we'll ever see him there again...
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hmm.... a nice variety of possibilities. Thank you all.
Taco de Baja. Is your structure strong enough to hold a hammock strung diagonally across?
Don Jorge: Thanks for the link. http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=58057&pag... A very nice setup!
MMc: Did you get your custom tarp from ShelterRite in Ohio? Or from a westcoast source?
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MMc
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I was made locally but the company is out of business. Most of the places that work vinyl can do it, think awning, truck tarps, boat covers. You want
it heat fused at the seams. the rest is sewing and such.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by standingwave
hmm.... a nice variety of possibilities. Thank you all.
Taco de Baja. Is your structure strong enough to hold a hammock strung diagonally across?
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I wouldn't string a hammock. It's not really that strong, or designed for that. Maybe with the super-heavy duty kits that use 1-5/8" or
1-7/8" chain link fence posts instead of 1-3/8" tubing...but that's adding a lot of weight. Some kits also add a horizontal beam
below the roof peak (the 10 foot wide sections in the photo) which should help add some structural support in the corners....All we hang from the
structure are beach towels, wet-suits, bathing suits, lanterns, bags of fruit, potatoes, and the like. So we did not need the extra support.
The kids, being kids, will occasionally swing around on the vertical poles like monkeys, but an immediate "STOP THAT IT'S NOT SAFE!" puts a stop to
it. So far no damage from the monkeys .
If you want a hammock, I'd recommend using stand alone poles with guy wires (Which, of course, can be dangerous especially at night after a few beers
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