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BajaBlanca
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Gilberto does answer emails much more often now.
The only reason he might NOT answer is if you wrote him in English. He is a firm believer that if you want to become a citizen, you must be conversant
in Spanish. He will only deal with his clients in Spanish.....
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Marla Daily
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I can't speak for others, but all of my emails are in Spanish only.
I'm awaiting a response to my emails of Sept. 5 and Sept. 17.
Maybe mañana?
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Pescador
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I'm only being curious when I ask, and if it's overly personal, please disregard, but what are your reasons for pursuing citizenship?
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Well, here are the most common reasons. You become a Mexican citizen with all of the rights and responsibilities. You can own land, run a business,
have equal footing in court, vote, become involved in what is going on locally or even nationally if you so choose.
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DENNIS
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Originally posted by Pescador
| Quote: | | You can own land, run a business, |
Soo....attaining citizenship is kinda like joining an investment club?
I always thought their would be a more emotional reason, like love of country, or something silly like that.
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have equal footing in court,
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Equal to whom or what? We all know equality is a bought and paid for commodity.
No fun tickets...no justice.
Why?
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become involved in what is going on locally or even nationally if you so choose. |
it seems a common misconception that we, as foreigners, aren't even allowed to have an opinion when it comes to the running of Mexico.
Allow me to share a well guarded secret....we are allowed that, and I freely indulge in that activity, forming my own opinions, about most everything,
including politics, and even with citizenship, I couldn't be more free to do that.
Now...if you want to include running for office....I'm not so sure even citizenship will allow that.
At any rate, US citizens who earn citizenship in Mexico will never....as in never....be anything more than second class citizens, at best.
To Mexicans, being "Mexican" involves a lot more than having the proper paperwork. It's more an identification of ancestral blood lines.
OK....that's my rant for the day.
Didja know, Sam's Club here sells Tecate Lite for 102 Ps [tax included] per 12 Pak? That's 60 Ps less than Villarino's tienda. I need to borrow a
big truck.
SALUD
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[Edited on 9-17-2013 by DENNIS]
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
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greengoes
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pescador
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Correct me if I am wrong on these points........
| Quote: | | You can own land, run a business, |
Having a Permente card allows you to own through Fido's and you can apply for the lucrativa option if you want to beat your
head against the wall to make dinero down here.
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have equal footing in court,
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 oh yea, just what I need, equal footing in a Mexican court. Enough dinero and a good abogado will get you more than equal
footing.
Even as a naturalized Mexican citizen I do believe you will never get the right to vote. That is reserved for citizens by
birth.
If I am wrong on these points please let me know and possibly include links to corroborate the rebuttals.
ANUNCIATE AQUI
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Eli
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Even as a naturalized Mexican citizen I do believe you will never get the right to vote. That is reserved for citizens by
birth.
If I am wrong on these points please let me know and possibly include links to corroborate the rebuttals. |
I am registered to vote, and I am naturalized.
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greengoes
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by Eli
Even as a naturalized Mexican citizen I do believe you will never get the right to vote. That is reserved for citizens by
birth.
If I am wrong on these points please let me know and possibly include links to corroborate the rebuttals. |
I am registered to vote, and I am naturalized. |
Thank you. Another bit of wrong information put to rest.
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Bill Collector
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We are registered to vote, and we are naturalized. We have actually voted twice.
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redmesa
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I think it would have been great if along with NAFTA they had given the option of a North American Citizenship rather like the EU.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by redmesa
I think it would have been great if along with NAFTA they had given the option of a North American Citizenship rather like the EU.
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If our countries had equitable economies, they probably would have, but we don't, so they couldn't.
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DavidE
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Not able to vote? Oh my god I have to find an office of the IFE quick and tell them my vote did not count. I am also a socio del ejido y sindicato de
mangeros de Michoacan.
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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oladulce
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Capital gains & immigration status
Cortez Blue, this article is interesting regarding Mex Capital gains on real estate for foreigners http://yucalandia.com/living-in-yucatan-mexico/capital-gains-taxes-on-mexican-properties/
Sounds like some laws have changed but it's still up to the interpretation of the notario you use for your property sale. If you can prove 5 yrs of
full time residency you may find a notario who will allow the cap gains exemption on a Res Perm visa.
The question I've yet to get answered: how will we prove we've been full time residents when we have no electricity, water bills, street address or
any of the typical receipts? It's an ongoing problem for us in this system which considers utility bills like a holy grail.
I had a brainstorm when we went whale watching this year. At Lopez Mateos there's a guy who takes your photo before you start your whale tour. When
you return to the dock he's got a memento- your picture framed, dated, and complete with a spyhopping whale photoshopped next to your boat. Next time
we get crap about not having a utility bill to prove we live here full time, I'll dump an armload of consecutive years of cute whale watching photos
on their desk. (Sorry for the drift off).
The Yucalandia article also mentions you will have "converted your fide to an escritura before selling your property"- I hadn't thought about that
factor in the timeline. Reports here sound like the citizenship process is currently bogged down. Add the amount of time it will take for your bank to
release your fide and it'll probably take a couple years minimum. We're still waiting to go back to INM for fingerprints to process our Res
Permanentes so we don't even have those yet, but we better start looking at the Citizenship procedure now.
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Mula
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I have had a post office box in Loreto since 2006 when I came to Baja.
I use that for proof of length of time here.
I had to provide rent receipts/lease to prove a residence some where in the Municipality of Loreto -.
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