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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by slimshady
It is only fair |
Excuse me while I laugh myself to death.
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If people are encouraged and feel secure to buy homes, condos, and lots with title and free of a FIDO then it will be a financial boom for locals and
those involved in construction, retail, etc.
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Form a corporation and you got all of that without the requisite obligations to society that you feel should be mandated.
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It's called progress and regardless of what one feels about growth and development, locals would like to provide for their families and that takes
money from jobs created from those new homeowners which you would not have had with the current law. |
It wouldn't improve from today's status quo. The need for workers will rise or fall with the need.
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slimshady
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I believe the new law prevents /excludes corporations and developers. It will only be for personal residences only.
The demand for employees and services will always rise and fall with the economy, like everywhere else.
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slimshady
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Forget it Dennis, maybe it's best that no one in baja has the potential to earn a better living that would have been realized if certain land
ownership laws were changed. Maybe living off the beach and eating papayas is the way go.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by slimshady
Maybe living off the beach and eating papayas is the way go. |
What an idyllic idea. Loin clothes...or nekid?
Count me in, please. 
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by slimshady
Forget it Dennis, maybe it's best that no one in baja has the potential to earn a better living that would have been realized if certain land
ownership laws were changed. Maybe living off the beach and eating papayas is the way go. |
somehow I don't see the Fishing Cooperativas giving up "living off the beach" in order to have the potential to earn a better living catoring to
people taking advantage of certain ownership laws.
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treuboff
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How about gavachos
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by treuboff
How about gavachos |
I theeenk thas a leeetle bit racist....gabacho.
Hey....waitaminit....are we in the right thread?
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treuboff
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sunny beaches
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by treuboff
sunny beaches |
No parking meters
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by slimshady
Forget it Dennis, maybe it's best that no one in baja has the potential to earn a better living that would have been realized if certain land
ownership laws were changed. Maybe living off the beach and eating papayas is the way go. |
Just a revisit out of boredom while awaiting "Sons Of Anarchy" to air at 7:00, but wouldn't it be a more substantial progression if prosperous
employment was a result of development, rather than a reason for development?
Just doesn't seem economically sound enough to inspire investment.
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[Edited on 10-9-2013 by DENNIS]
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durrelllrobert
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But FIDOs are usefull for protecting beach front properties
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It is only fair that they remove the FIDO and that particular regime that exists to take the yearly fees. The banks which are mostly foreign owned
take that money and don't reinvest it in mexico.
If people are encouraged and feel secure to buy homes, condos, and lots with title and free of a FIDO then it will be a financial boom for locals and
those involved in construction, retail, etc.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
| Quote: | Originally posted by slimshady
Forget it Dennis, maybe it's best that no one in baja has the potential to earn a better living that would have been realized if certain land
ownership laws were changed. Maybe living off the beach and eating papayas is the way go. |
Somehow I don't see the Fishing Cooperativas giving up "living off the beach" in order to have the potential to earn a better living catoring to
people taking advantage of certain ownership laws. |
Not a chance as the fishermen can make a very good living most of the years ---- some years are not so good, and others are excellent. Some have side
businesses that benefit some from the gringos, but most of the business is still from the locals; the fishermen and their families. The really good
years is when the construction boom happens.
Places like Asuncion and Abreojos exist because of the co-ops and if they fell apart, so would the towns. Most of the gringos in these type places
contribute a lot of their personal resources to various causes, families etc., And while using the local stores etc., they contribute, but it really
is all about the co-ops. And only a very few of the locals profit from the tourist business.
For example, a few years back we were asked to help some of the locals by creating a website so that they could have some internet advertisement in
English. It took a long time, but we finally agreed to help. It was their hope to be able to at least compete a small amount in the tourist
business. They still can't really compete against the massive advertising in English and never will. It is the way it is.
Did it help? Yes, it did bring some business to some places and for other businesses who cater to the locals, it was fun. It cost quite a bit of
money but we learned a lot about webpages.
However, in the overall scheme of things for the overall town, it has contributed very, very little. They live and die with the co-ops and any
perks brought to the town by the government are the result of pressure from the co-ops, the people, mostly co-op employees, and politicians who want
the votes. BTW --- soon, it will no longer be our website as we are giving it away since we won't be there as often.
Like others, we helped a number of individuals in different ways, but, they got along before they met any of us, and they would get along fine without
any of us. The best thing we gained from the community were some very good friends who will continue to be our friends.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Another point to keep in mind.....If a Constitutional Amendment is required to make a change in property ownership laws..... Mexico amends their
Constitution about as often as the WET their pants.
An amendment that favors you today may wipe you out in the future.
As much as I've liked Baja since the early/mid '60s, its still Mexico and the ability to F'up is ingrained and cultural. It will be done.
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daveB
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Many beaches in some other states in Mexico, notably to the south of Puerto Vallarta, are already closed off to the public. Usually a road to the
beach through the jungle leads to a guard house, and a gate. If you have no direct business there you will be turned around; if no one is at the gate,
it is locked. Up to 3/4 of the beaches are under lock and key. So much for the idea of the 50 metres to the water belonging to the people of Mexico.
Even if you approach by boat you will often be thwarted.
Land grabs abound. Those aimed there at beaches are the valuable ones. At one beach on the bay of Tenacatita, a real estate developer organized an
early summer morning state police attack on those on the beach and all property. Armed with automatic rifles and outfitted in riot gear, they evicted
all, erected fences, blocked the roadway and ended an estimated 800 people's reliance on this beach for their income. Three years later now, private
armed guards are still there, with state police now in a different role, simply keeping the peace. The road block was dismantled this spring, but the
infrastructure has long since been bulldozed, along with private houses, small hotels. Visits to the beach are limited to daylight hours only, no
alcohol, but no facilities, no busineses are left. Some of the restaurants there had been operating there for 50 years.
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BajaRat
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Translation- Ask not what you can do for Mexico, but what Mexico can do for you ?
I believe the reason most Mexican beaches are the way they are is they have been protected from direct foreign ownership. It takes far more
dedication to participate without a safety net, that's the type of expats and visitors that you now call your neighbors, friends and fellow travelers.
The current condition of the Mexican coastline is why most of us here choose to visit and live here. One thing for sure, It won't be the Mexican
citizens deciding which direction this debate goes. It will be the elected officials and the interests they work for calling the shots.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by daveB
Many beaches in some other states in Mexico, notably to the south of Puerto Vallarta, are already closed off to the public. Usually a road to the
beach through the jungle leads to a guard house, and a gate. If you have no direct business there you will be turned around; if no one is at the gate,
it is locked. Up to 3/4 of the beaches are under lock and key. So much for the idea of the 50 metres to the water belonging to the people of Mexico.
Even if you approach by boat you will often be thwarted.
Land grabs abound. Those aimed there at beaches are the valuable ones. At one beach on the bay of Tenacatita, a real estate developer organized an
early summer morning state police attack on those on the beach and all property. Armed with automatic rifles and outfitted in riot gear, they evicted
all, erected fences, blocked the roadway and ended an estimated 800 people's reliance on this beach for their income. Three years later now, private
armed guards are still there, with state police now in a different role, simply keeping the peace. The road block was dismantled this spring, but the
infrastructure has long since been bulldozed, along with private houses, small hotels. Visits to the beach are limited to daylight hours only, no
alcohol, but no facilities, no busineses are left. Some of the restaurants there had been operating there for 50 years. |
Now....who in Mexico would have enough power and money to finance an operation of this magnitude?
Jeeezo....who? I wonder.
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bajagrouper
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It is happening all over Nayarit also, large hotel chains like Marriott are buying beach concessions and the local government officials are selling
out, they bring in bulldozers and knock down palapa restaurants and any other structures, put up a chain link fence,put up a guard shack and fill it
with armed guards...
I hear the whales song
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajagrouper
large hotel chains like Marriott |
Soooo....it's the Mormons, and here all the time I was thinking cartels.
Shame on me.
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