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Skeet/Loreto
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Stateside Throphy Home or Palapa
Bob and Susan: I would have respected your Post if you would have explained"Wrong" or at least saying In my opinion"
If a person would like to build a Stateside Type Home then your Opinion is Correct, but if a person would like to Build a very good palapa Home then
you do noy need an Archt. only some basis building knowledge and Good judgement of people and their word, Starting with a very good rock foundation
and forgetting about Air cond. and all the fancy stuff from the States.
people nowdays are going to Baja, thiking they can bulid a Huge House and impress more people with their Wealth, could that be True?Skeet/Loreto
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tim40
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60 to 100/sq ft? Never been a builder etc, etc, etc...but those #s seem high. Do others concur that this is the range for an 'average' place
(whatever that is)?
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motana
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land in the south
Woops. Bob and Susan, There was any thought of disrespect. Can I Ask you do you or anyone know is itpossible to buy land from the eido and transfer
it to a fici comico
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jrbaja
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As I said in my reply to your u2u
and in another thread, I think there are quite possibly some reading comprehension problems here. I won't go into what I think the reason is but I'm
fairly sure that may be a problem for some
But, I am not saying it is hard to buy land here. I said in our case, there have been complications.
The thread is about building in Baja, just in case anyone forgot.
Let me guess, you are a realtor?
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Bob and Susan
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Here is a GREAT article that shows how ejido land can be normalized.
http://www.mexicolaw.com.mx/ejido.html
Until it's normalized you cannot buy it. (period)
Skeet, sorry but palpas are only temporary. One good wind or one little fire and they are gone.
Real Mexicans don't live in Palapas they live in houses. (now this is our opinion) (the rest isn't)
For foreigners to be contractors there are special rules and you must pay social security taxes for employees that work on your project even if you
sub contract.
Today you must be able to pass an audit or risk losing your project.
You should respect this country's rules when building. Your investment would be at risk if you disregard them. (period)
ps we love bamboo stuff.....
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Al G
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Baja Construction
From your post I have not a clue what you are building other then some sort of dwelling. I do not understand how anyone could give you a guess and
nobody could possibly give you an estimate with the information you have supplied. In the U.S. everyone assumes a 2-3 bedroom house. Baja is
completely different. Do you want a palopa roof or tile? Patio on top with palopa? Block construction? frame? 8'-9'-10' Concrete ceiling or beam?
flagstone yard? 6-8Ft perimeter wall? iron gates? Do you need solar? Septic? Water tank? Maybe all we are talking about is a fish camp with patio and
kitchen? Getting money down is not the problem it was. As you can tell most of the people here can assist you and I would go with Baja jr
assessment,(this is only my opinion) but give more information as you may not be on the same page. Without a palopa of some kind are you in Baja or ??
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jrbaja
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Real Mexican Houses
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capt. mike
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Arch - VS. - Eng skills
JR - i was attempting to differentiate between Structural and Civil disciplines re Architects having "engineering" priviledges. When it comes to the
Civil disciplines i agree Architects are only micro schooled for that and not macro - yes you do need the services of a RCE or RLS for that. But i
still say a good architect is well worth the fee for design. plus , at least where i am researching, several local architects handle the general
contracting which is a boon for total scope and control.
costs - too many variables so i say right now figure a budget at $60 u.s. for SHELL and foundation thru top out and the rest is all a function of
FFand E.
Any one want some help on this e me i have some good references.
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almarps
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Labor costs for home construction
Thanks to all of you for your input, 'tis greatly appreciated. FYI, we do own the property out-right, as my bedda 1/2's mother is from MX, so now
children can get dual-nationality, therein, title to land. As long as she does not leave me after 20 yrs, all is OK on that note. We are building
with all locally available materials & labor / block, concrete, with solar, etc. Essentially putting up a larger, durable version of the Palapa. I
will be staying on the property during the construction with a trailer. First structure up is the garage/storage/RV space, wherein the rigs will be
left in Baja - any easy ideas on leaving US vehicles down there? Currently having bi-lingual plans drawn up with an architect, we will be using local
Loreto-Mulege-Santa Rosalia workers, paying them weekly, I know that 10-yrs ago one could get a good stone/mason(albanal) for around $15 per day -
what would the going rate be nowadays? We are trying to budget and do not wish to get too beat-up in the process. Home is to be built on Conception.
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Don Alley
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Any figures or estimates on the square ft costs of building must be based on what kind of house you are building.
There are some nice new homes here in Loreto that apparently used an architect and cost a lot more money than I can afford.
I'm living in a new, nice but modest, 1 bedroom home 90% reconstructed from an existing building. New roof, floor, 80% new walls, wiring, plumbing,
nice two-part air conditioners, and more.
Fiberglass/asbestos roof. Rock patio, with circular "umbrella" palapa and a fountain. Tile floor inside. We used a local builder. My wife drew up
rough plans. From that, more formal plans were drawn up by a local man for the city building permit office, where he also worked so approval was a
slam dunk. The work was all similar or identical to work this builder and his crew had done before. Concrete block, stuccoed inside and out, white
paint (we add color at our expense).
The result was a solid, comfortable home in a central Loreto neighborhood. Doesn't stand out too much from the other homes, I hope. Certainly nothing
fancy, but the lot has room for a small guest casita (finished, at a similar cost per square foot) and has room for a future studio and workshop,
which in total will result in some pretty cool digs IMO.
And in terms of structural integrity, safety and comfort, I'd rate this place above our Kalispell Montana home.
And the cost per square foot was substantially below all of the figures reported on this thread. No way could we afford $85-$100 per square foot.
So I don't think Skeet is that far off.
It may take a while to scout out just who to hire to do and/or oversee the work. Yet the longer you wait, the higher the costs. Wages are creeping a
bit higher. The cost of materials is going up rapidly.
There is more affordable middle ground between the palatial showplaces and the basic palapas.
Don
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Al G
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Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire!
Go ahead build a bomb shelter, or live your life. Fire is apart of our lives. I lost everything ( well that is what i thought in 1998) when a fire
gutted my manufacturing plant. A close and dear friend lost his $900.000 tile roof house. 2 different employees lost everything ( and no insurance) in
an apartment fire (1- shake 1- tile roof). How many of all the total losses in U.S. fires would you guess were from a fire starting by a palapa
roof???? Palapa dangerous? Yes!!! You build palapas on top of palapas, as in RV camps or anywhere you have dominoes ready to fall and you should keep
a supply of marshmallows handy. A kitchen with a palapa may not be the best ideal. Do not build a monument to yourself with with a palapa roof.
Mexico has little fire protection infrastructure. This is something gringos should put a few of their construction bucks toward. Ignore where you are
and you will turn Baja into a suburb of California. A good contractor can always find ways to make anything work without being dangerous. I think
jrbaja has a better grasp on Baja, then most people, and the feel for what is right IMO. I have more then 30 years in construction and if I needed an
answer to something important about Baja, I think I would ask him first. I have never met him, but read a lot of his posts.
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almarps
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Labor costs for home construction
Thanks again for all the input - What are some of the best internet srvs for those off the grid laptops/computers y'all are using? Currently shopping
for the best bang for the peso when on-line during construction this winter.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Almarps
My wife and I built a very well structured Palapa on the Beach North of Loreto. We brought in Gravel, put in 2 and 1/2 deep by Wide Rock Walls with
Columns. Some of the rock used was from the Cave Paintings near San Nicalos.
We constructed a Oja Roof of 13,000 Ojasa, treated for Fire and Scorpions, termites, we had 67 Handmade on the spot Wood windows, we had inside wall
that seperated the Bedrooms. We hired 3 guys to come up and put in 2,000 Sq. Feet of Tile, our Cabniets were hand made out of Cuidad Constitution,
Lighing fistures were Leaded, made by an old couple near by.
This was constructed for about $22,000, hiring our Mexican Friends at about $10 a Day. We also Helped.
If you want to take time you can do the same, but would cost about Double. Do not believe anyone who says you cannot do it. It just take time, and a
little Thought.
We had 6 Fans, never had a need for AC, sometimes used a small Heater for the Shower. We were there 17 years and loved every minute.
Good Luck
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almarps
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Palapa on Conception
Thanks for the input, sounds like you built what we are thinking about. What is the 'Oja' materials you spoke of? Is there any way to view the one
you built? Thanks for your time, Happy New Year.
almarps
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Skeet/Loreto
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"Ojas"
Palm Leaves that are cut from the Fan palm, soaked in the estuary, striped and laid at 45 per Meter as the Roof.
You can see this palapa which was known as "Rancho Sonrisa" on the Beach North of Loreto between two of the most Expensive Trophy Homes in all of
Baja.
Skeet/Loreto
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