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Willy A, just a suggestion; have the Rotary guy start a new thread and re-post the sending information, stating the issue and what it's for, and
hopefully your xmas will be early. Even though it sounds 'self-serving', the ramp is necessary for the economy and i'll shell out a little more for
whatever they need. I've watched Rotary and their bunch for many years, and am proud to have known a few.
[Edited on 10-17-2014 by bajabuddha]
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Rotary funds for the Donation Pier
I feel that using Rotarian funds to fix the boat ramp is wrong under the guise of "helping the local fishing industry".
The Cacheno pangueros are launching and can keep their boats in the water. Then there is the issue of "helping" the Loma Azul pangueros on the other
side of the river. How are they going to launch their boats? The Lighthouse ramp is gone, too.
Fact is, the pangueros on both sides of the river are launching and can keep their boats in the water once done so or take them out.
Let's be clear about this. Yes, the boat launching issue in Mulege may be an indirect concern to the local economic health in that it affects the
vacationer's desire to bring their boats to Mulege waters. However, the local Mexican fishermen are not affected by the tourist with their own boat.
Additionally, it seems wrong to dedicate funds to "help" one group of pangueros over another, Loma Azul vs Cacheno.
More specifically in question is the actual intent to appropriate funds that are from a local service organization to address this. It sullies the
good name of that organization, imo.
Sorry, just my two cents; I'm not a Rotarian and so have no voice. However, I feel that using Rotary funds to fix the boat ramp might probably be seen
by many as a thinly-veiled guise that will actually serve the winter vacationer crowd more than the local Mexican fishermen or the local economy at
large.
This sends the wrong message, imo. Rotary is a service organization which, I believe, is charged with serving the community to which it is dedicated.
Perhaps a private funding of repairs of Donation Pier would be in order, yes?
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The whole town of Mulege is affected by the lack of a launching ramp. The town lives mostly by the tourist trade, hotels, restaurants and curios
shops.
There are no other venues of income.
Tourists come to Mulege to fish from their own boats and with no ramps even the panqueros can not take tourists on fishing trips.
Yes I believe that the local economy will be very much affected by the lack of launching ramps, on any side of the river.
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Local labor is really good with concrete and rebar, that is the way to go.
A boat ramp can be made of rebar-reinforced concrete, plank-style with rebar loops to connect the planks. These can be cast on site and rolled down
sequentially to extend the ramp, avoiding a large scale concrete pour. Similar to this:
http://www.genestprecast.com/boat-ramp.html
Each plank weighs in around 1000#, easy to fab, rebar mesh for this is simple too. Dig a shallow hole near the ramp, build a box frame mold 144x15x8
inches.
I think the funding for material should come from those who would use the ramp, the ex-pat/local residential sportfishers (of which I am one once or
twice a year.) I'm not sure how to do that, open to suggestions. Any of our good local contractors could provide an estimate to make these.
There may be sand and gravel that could be found/donated local, maybe some #4 rebar too, though I suspect that will have to be bought, as well as the
cement.
A ramp like this can be chained to palmas in time of storm, and can be pulled from the water like a tank track to improve survivability too.
Sorry, I am not there to help until late this year, just offering up some ideas here that could be part of the solution.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabuddha
Willy A, just a suggestion; have the Rotary guy start a new thread and re-post the sending information, stating the issue and what it's for, and
hopefully your xmas will be early. Even though it sounds 'self-serving', the ramp is necessary for the economy and i'll shell out a little more for
whatever they need. I've watched Rotary and their bunch for many years, and am proud to have known a few.
[Edited on 10-17-2014 by bajabuddha] |
OK, I HEAR YOU.
So here is the deal: If you want to help pay for the road and ramp repair, We are posting a new plea for donations earmarked for that purpose. SEE THE
NEW THREAD.OK, I HEAR YOU.
[Edited on 10-17-2014 by Subastador]
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bigmike58
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100% correct
| Quote: | Originally posted by alacran
The whole town of Mulege is affected by the lack of a launching ramp. The town lives mostly by the tourist trade, hotels, restaurants and curios
shops.
There are no other venues of income.
Tourists come to Mulege to fish from their own boats and with no ramps even the panqueros can not take tourists on fishing trips.
Yes I believe that the local economy will be very much affected by the lack of launching ramps, on any side of the river. |
You are correct! I spend 80% of my awake hours fishing out of Mulege, The other 20% is spent buying fuel, food, drinks, ice and of course- paying to
have the fish cleaned. If Mulege does not have a useable ramp I will be forced to spend ten's of thousands of dollars a year elsewhere in Baja...
Shouldn\'t one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check or Sec.8 housing?
........... I had to pass one to earn it for them!
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mulegejim
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| Quote: | Originally posted by alacran
The whole town of Mulege is affected by the lack of a launching ramp. The town lives mostly by the tourist trade, hotels, restaurants and curios
shops.
There are no other venues of income.
Tourists come to Mulege to fish from their own boats and with no ramps even the panqueros can not take tourists on fishing trips.
Yes I believe that the local economy will be very much affected by the lack of launching ramps, on any side of the river. |
Ditto, I agree with Alacran on this one, also there have been in the past three fishing tournaments a year in Mulege that attract quite a number of
entrants The proceeds support many local community services. These tournaments would not be possible without a serviceable launch ramp and dock. In
addition, the entrants and their friends spend money in town for many things- food, beer and sodas, at restaurants, etc to name a few. A good
serviceable ramp and dock helps a lot more people over the course of a year than just the occasional gringo fisherman. I know, I've been there. Just
my two cents.
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In order to keep a lot of big spenders, at least the one's who have boats and homes in Mulege, HERE....a boat ramp and dock is imperative. Like
others, if I can't fish here than I will have to take the monies elsewhere! My $1000.00usd donation to reconstruction is a start............ 
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Ok, I hear you too
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Originally posted by bajabuddha
Willy A, just a suggestion; have the Rotary guy start a new thread and re-post the sending information, stating the issue and what it's for......
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This is a perfect solution.
I understand what the lack of a boat ramp does to the Mulege economy, it is just at first glance, helping victims that earn $200 pesos a day and
victims that spend 200 pesos for lunch seems a bit tilted. But, as Alcan says, it will benefit all in the long run. This will be self
funding and won't take away from the hurricane relief fund. It's all good..
[Edited on 10-17-2014 by willyAirstream]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by willyAirstream
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Originally posted by bajabuddha
Willy A, just a suggestion; have the Rotary guy start a new thread and re-post the sending information, stating the issue and what it's for......
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This is a perfect solution.
I understand what the lack of a boat ramp does to the Mulege economy, it is just at first glance, helping victims that earn $200 pesos a day and
victims that spend 200 pesos for lunch seems a bit tilted. But, as Alcan says, it will benefit all in the long run. This will be self
funding and won't take away from the hurricane relief fund. It's all good..
[Edited on 10-17-2014 by willyAirstream] |
I totally agree, and have already sent in another Rotary donation. My intention was saying that I (and i'm sure others will ask) WHERE to send it to,
this thread? No addy or info. My meaning and statement was to benefit, start a new thread intended for the ramp, great for the economy, great for
Mulege. I don't fish there. My donation goes for my favorite village. If I ruffled any feathers it WAS NOT my intention, and i'm sorry if I did...
I still don't see how and re-read it a few times. I guess we all have our pre-conceptions? Quien sabes? Anyway, great cause for the town; it's
been re-stated here how much the economy is fueled by visitors as well as the pangeros. I hope it does some good.
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The WHERE TO SEND IT can be found here
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=75916
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dorado50
In order to keep a lot of big spenders, at least the one's who have boats and homes in Mulege, HERE....a boat ramp and dock is imperative. Like
others, if I can't fish here than I will have to take the monies elsewhere! My $1000.00usd donation to reconstruction is a start............ |
I agree with Dave and will match, I love it in Mulege and can't find a better location with the same amenities and luxuries, like A/C in July while
fishing for Dorado, two gas stations, a mile drive to the free ramp with ample parking, 30+ places to eat, city water, Policia that help and protect
our kids, and drive able in a day from SoCal.
I do take a little offense in W/A's remarks, Myself and many others either drove supplies- gave cash or assisted in other ways immediately after the
Hurricane. I didn't even go in my trashed home and left immediately after delivering the supplies and cash as to not be an additional burden on the
limited resources. Our thoughts and actions were focused on our friends(locals) in Mulege, insurance monies will fix our homes and provide jobs and
money locally at a later date.
Now that the immediate problem of water-food and power are mostly repaired it is time to hire our friends to repair and clean our homes and build
another ramp with a removable dock.
But, Please-let's do it right this time. The last Ramp and Dock were not adequate to launch or retrieve a 21' or bigger boat at low tide without
dropping off the concrete. Three more feet of concrete doesn't cost much.
Many thanks to Dave and the others who are helping to rebuild Mulege with either their brains, money or sweat.
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We are driving south to Mulege and hope to be there on the 3rd. How is the availability and cost of building materials? If the Rotary or Paws needs
something specific please U2U us and we will see what we can do. We are heading down from the foothills of Northern Ca.
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