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KurtG
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Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha  | | Quote: Originally posted by Terry28 | | We had a house at Buenaventura for 10 years, had this conversation many times with locals there....If the gates is there at all, open or closed ask
the rancher for permission.....no exceptions...Bob and Susan's answer is correct.....Just because someone else did it without asking does not make it
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So, tell the truth, straight up, Terry....
Did you sell out to TBH, or did you back MarK?
TELL IT LIKE IT IS.
Aside from that, the road from Hwy 1 to the East Bay road is open, I've never opened or closed a single gate IN TWENTY FREAKING YEARS, other than the
recent one put on the Highway exit for livestock only. IF you stay to the left, close to the bay, NO GATES.
SOMEBODY NAME ONE GATE BETWEEN HIGHWAY ONE AND PINTURTA CAŅON, OR THE MOST MAJOR POINT ACROSS FROM COYOTE. NAME ONE GATE. I've traveled that enough
to say BS to anyone, have taken dozens of tours to Pintura Caņon pictographs, andn 15 years worth.
There is a brand of people I call "The Last Pioneers"... they move in, with lots of buck$$$, and then slam the door behind them (i.e. "NIMBY
Door-Slammers" {NIMBY= Not In My Back Yard}). I'm guilty in a lot of it from the 70's to the '90's in the expansion of "Search of Solitude" of the
desert Southwest of the U.S., and I realized i'm an integral part of it, because I came , saw, and shared. The rest is history, same as Baja. Some
come and with LOTS of money, build a lighthouse and then dictate how things should be. THE LAST PIONEER: NOW THE DOOR IS LOCKED, I AM THE LAST.
Fine, keep your power structure to yourself.
I'll continue travelling to the Caņon Pinturas and the abandoned Ranchero watertanks, and Baja (Suzie? Sally?)'s old ruins until you pry my cold
dead hands off my steering wheel. Until then, I strongly suggest, as in all Gringolandias in Baja, that you tend to your own propriedades and
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Like you I have encountered no gates on the way to Arroyo Pintado or further on to the turn off to Baja Patty's former place. Past there, however, I
found a couple of gates between the old Rcho Margarita and El Salto that were closed. This was about 5 years ago. I went through and closed the
gates behind me and then stopped at El Salto to ask permission. The man I talked to there was very friendly and was impressed that a guy of my
"advanced age" was riding alone over there. I have done quite a few trips out that way, I especially like the easy hikes up both Pintado and El Salto
arroyos. They are quite lovely.
Anybody else remember Corona Dave, longtime resident of "the far side?" I know Pompano also knew him and has posted a tale or two about him.
While Bob's suggestion to go there by boat is valid it just doesn't work for those of us who want to hike, camp and explore a bit. The hike from
shore to the mouth of Arroyo Pintado or Patty's place is just a little too far. There is no water at Pintado but there is a spring at Patty's and
good water at El Salto but that hike would only be for the very fit and experienced.
The few locals I have met on the East side of the bay have been cordial and hospitable, I hope that has not changed.
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bajabuddha
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PERFECT, KURT!!
Baja Patty's (mind's goin', thanks for the up-link) and, Corona Dave's old relic. Bottom line, it's still totally doable, regardless of The Last
Pioneers.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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The problem is that in some remote parts of the peninsula, that "Last Pioneer" these days may be a cartel who bought or strong armed their way onto a
ranch property that they see as strategic for growing/transporting drugs. I tell all my friends who come down with ideas of off-road exploring to take
particular care with closed gates in remote areas. Find out who owns/controls the area and ALWAYS get permission BEFORE passing through any remote,
gated property.
To recommend otherwise, based on your individual experience at one particular area in the past is extremely irresponsible IMHO...
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lets go back to the original question...
can you take a rental car down the east side of the bay?
answer...probably
but...
the dirt road is actually an unforgiving trail
who's going to "back you up"
a rental car will "for sure" have problems and
there's no cell coverage and NO "road-side" assistance
remember you only get one spare tire and rocks eat tires here
the land is not public property its "private property"
the only public land is the federal zone (20 meters)
there is NO expectation that you can cross private land with a car or truck and
you cannot drive on the federal zone using it as a highway
you can walk to the beach from a public street...
there has to be access
but there does not have to be parking
my advice for the tourist is to go by boat and walk to explore
if you can't walk...stay away from that area...you not in shape to go
these people telling you, "you can do anything in Baja" are just wrong
they will be the first to call foul
when something happens to them they don't like...and it will in the end
as for the old patty and dave...well...no dis-respect to them
but they were filthy, smelly, drinkers and squatters...
I hope none of us have to live like they did...
it must have been horrible
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"Excellent ubication", however....even dirty drunk squatters know a nice location when they see it ....
Don't believe everything you think....
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Oh golly, Ged!!!! YOU were on Private Property!! Did you close all the gates (or even see any), and get permission, plus sign a Waver of Indemnity?
Gotta be PC now, pal.
Great pics btw. Ever been up Pintura Canyon to all the pictographs? 
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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KurtG
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| Quote: Originally posted by Bob and Susan | lets go back to the original question...
can you take a rental car down the east side of the bay?
answer...probably
but...
the dirt road is actually an unforgiving trail
who's going to "back you up"
a rental car will "for sure" have problems and
there's no cell coverage and NO "road-side" assistance
remember you only get one spare tire and rocks eat tires here
the land is not public property its "private property"
the only public land is the federal zone (20 meters)
there is NO expectation that you can cross private land with a car or truck and
you cannot drive on the federal zone using it as a highway
you can walk to the beach from a public street...
there has to be access
but there does not have to be parking
my advice for the tourist is to go by boat and walk to explore
if you can't walk...stay away from that area...you not in shape to go
these people telling you, "you can do anything in Baja" are just wrong
they will be the first to call foul
when something happens to them they don't like...and it will in the end
as for the old patty and dave...well...no dis-respect to them
but they were filthy, smelly, drinkers and squatters...
I hope none of us have to live like they did...
it must have been horrible
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I'm certainly not saying "you can do anything you want in Baja"nor would I suggest taking a standard car over there. My trips have been in 4wd or by
bike. I know that times change but my experiences on the east side of the bay have been positive, I have camped there for days at a time over the
years and often saw nobody else.
Your description of Dave is pretty accurate. I never knew Patty but visited her place shortly after her death and was quite impressed. She had a
good water source and had piped water down to her multi-room palapa. Had a shower and a flush toilet. When I was there that first time the spring
had silted up behind the little dam she had built and another camper and I cleaned it out. The spring is in the little canyon NE of her grave site.
It is a lovely spot and has enough elevation that the views back across the bay are very nice. Did you actually know her when she lived there?
I think those who go to the bay's far side for the first time underestimate the distance. From the highway turnoff to the end of the road at the tip
of the peninsula is about 35 miles of quite slow going and if one is going across to the old mine site it is several miles further. I have done all
that easily in one day by motorcycle but if I'm driving it is a camping trip. OTH, it is only 10 miles from the highway to the Arroyo Pintado turnoff
so that is an easy day trip. Like all other Baja exploration, a good dose of common sense is essential. As to gates, I would never go through one
that is posted.
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we cruised over by there today to "play" with the dolphins
a pretty remote area
took 10 minutes to get across
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha | Oh golly, Ged!!!! YOU were on Private Property!! Did you close all the gates (or even see any), and get permission, plus sign a Waver of Indemnity?
Gotta be PC now, pal.
Great pics btw. Ever been up Pintura Canyon to all the pictographs?
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BB,
Don't know about Pintura Canyon....DT Bushpilot and I rode motos north to mine site several years ago...don't recall any gates aside from one at
highway entrance...first time on peninsula was in '94 and camped for several days halfway up....also have been over to San Sebastion Cove and down to
San Nicolas and out from there to highway a few times.
I have ridden the area about five times and will do it again....only unfriendly vibe was from a few gringos in Sebstion Cove...but "Brown Rice"
Dave(?) was welcoming...
Folks I met along the way were local fishermen headed out by road...
Don't believe everything you think....
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Thanks Amigos for all of the somewhat conflicting information. I'm taking notes! It looks like I might have to change my plan and 4WD down from San
Diego. Can't say I'm looking forward to a 2 day drive each way. However 10 days camping, fishing, diving and exploring should rejuvenate my soul.
Thanks again for all of the scoops and post if you think of any other info. Aloha Andrew
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Hola Amigoes, I'm actually here! In Mulege now, buy supplies and fishing permit in the morning then off to see how deep the mud is an the Punta
Concepcion road. Santa Rosalia is a mess, mud slides every where. Where the hell is the desert! It's been green ever since Rosario
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Andrew, if you only have 10 days I think you're SOL for getting across the south bay mud flats, unless you have a hovercraft and a power washer when
you're done. Trust me, that dawg ain't gonna hunt.
Happy trails,
bb.
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I agree with bajab: if it has been raining heavily out there that place will be an alkali mudtrap. Baja weather does not heed man's vacation
schedules. Lots of salts in the local mud flat, it etches metal and plastic permanently.
See if you can get some local road info from folks in San Nicolas area. They usually keep their road in good shape, and that is an alternative
destination. I would say if you can't drive to San Nic then the camino de la tierra on the cape could be a get-stuck mudfest. Good luck trying this!
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Definitely keep us posted - good luck!
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