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bajafam
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Families can travel without too much effort, if it's important enough. It's extremely important to our family, and we have been traveling with
children since the youngest wast 1 1/2 (she's 9 1/2 now). There is no better teacher than traveling, IMHO. Baja is a fabulous place to travel as a
family, and can be done so on the cheap...depending, of course, on your style. We have been known to camp remotely for weeks at a time, without
spending a dime.
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elgatoloco
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Like. 
MAGA
Making Attorneys Get Attorneys
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Osprey
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There are all kinds of travel. It's a very broad brush verb. One can drive from L.A. to New York almost non-stop or one can spend a month at Cape Cod
or one can fly to Paris, go shopping and return to the U.S.
Add to that the fact that some travelers really immerse themselves into the culture wherever they travel while others are on snapshot tours. If you
travel to a foreign country and don't know a word of the lingo, you can't have the dream that the experience broadened your understanding of the
people, the culture.
When I research for an essay or fiction piece I travel extensively to the setting on the internet, Google Earth and photo tours, even study some of
the language and learn the history of the place in more complete fashion than one could from locals --- not in depth but the electronic history lesson
will often be deeper than locals ken.
Want to try it? Do some history on the state of Alabama for example, go there and check with the man on the street for their knowledge of what you
learned.
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SFandH
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Quote: Originally posted by Osprey  |
When I research for an essay or fiction piece I travel extensively to the setting on the internet, Google Earth and photo tours, even study some of
the language and learn the history of the place in more complete fashion than one could from locals --- not in depth but the electronic history lesson
will often be deeper than locals ken.
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Boy that's the truth. The Internet is an amazing tool for armchair travelling. Especially Google Earth, the street view is incredible, and Images.
Wikipedia. Translators. YouTube videos. What a wonderful collection of free software and data.
Dictionaries too. I looked up your use of the word "ken". New to me, thanks.
As far as Mexican culture shock, I find it indeed shocking at times. But I'm struggling to think of something positive to say. I travel Baja because
of the unique geography and its proximity to where I live.
[Edited on 8-21-2015 by SFandH]
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SlyOnce
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I discussed this with my novia last night. We are essentially married, we live in Playas for 2 years now. She's born in TJ, bilingual, college
educated, works at a high school.
In practice, I have made a bubble of my American life - my music, my food, my movies, my TV shows here in Playas and pulled her into it. Now however
that bubble is cracking and more and more of her things are flowing in.
We speak English at home but we have a rule of speaking only Spanish 1 hour per day.
We watch movies in English with Spanish subtitles.
So we discussed the "culture shock" from her side.
One thing I've noticed is that I'm not at all macho by their standards, I can cry at sad movies, that has really shocked her in a way. I care for her
much more than she is used to. She marvels at sights like me doing the dishes.
She doesn't like sweet things, our foods are much sweeter.
She doesn't really like hamburgers nor hotdogs.
She wants tortillas with everything (I seldom eat them). And when I do I prefer flour - she eats corn tortillas.
The MX diet is short in vegetables and fruits.
I've never eaten so many eggs.
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SFandH
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho | | Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | | As far as Mexican culture shock, I find it indeed shocking at times. But I'm struggling to think of something positive to say. |
Can't tell if this is tongue in cheek, but if you're serious, I'd say you have missed out on the affective side of the Mexican people.
To contrast: I spent some time in Southern California after years living in Mexico. My conclusion about the SoCal culture:
"Bods of gods, hearts of stone." 
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You're right, sorry I said what I did because I really don't know much about Mexico. I really have no business expressing an opinion about its
culture. I just visit in the wintertime and for the most part am surrounded by Americans. I also walk across regularly to a pharmacy but that's
downtown TJ - a unique place.
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maryellen50
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The worst "shock" I've had since living here is the DIRT & DUST because it is so dry with no rain. Lived in TJ/Rosarito & now Ensenada &
getting out of here in October.
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Alm
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Yep. Entire Baja is dusty.
And garbage all around, wherever people live, and even where they don't. Doing a lot of kayaking in younger days, I've been always surprised how
much garbage was there in places with no road access, - left by pangeros. They are not even trying to take it back to the town dumpster. Anything
from old shoes to batteries and plastic cans after motor oil - piles and piles of it.
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Alm
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Sure... Keep on telling it and you might eventually convince yourself that this is the reason. Like we were all born with kids already. Most people
don't even get married until 5 or 7 years after the college. They don't travel because they don't feel like. Don't have much interest in other
countries and cultures. This is how they were raised by their parents, and those, in turn, by theirs.
Then after kids have grown up, you are bored, with plenty of time and some money on your hands, and still don't travel - well, maybe some
picture-taking cruise here and there, like from Wa to Bahamas or from NY to Alaska. Because you are past prime time for learning about other cultures,
can't absorb much. Hey, you don't miss what you've never had  ...
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Osprey
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Alm, you keep showing us just how narrow your world view is. You keep reminding us, admonishing us to travel. We get it but most U.S. retirees retire
and then go traveling the world they could not visit when they had jobs, responsibilities. They, we do that without any crusty old cheerleaders but
thanks. Enough.
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Skipjack Joe
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Mexicans shop differently than Americans. They'll get their first item and place it on the counter at the end of the queue. Then they will proceed to
shop as their item moves along in the queue to the cashier. When it reaches the cashier they show up with the rest of their groceries and are ready to
purchase.
There's no point in getting frustrated as you stand behind that single potato. It's just the way it is.
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Osprey
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Culture shock
I think this qualifies.
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