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[*] posted on 5-9-2016 at 05:02 PM


Yes of course, I meant from our perspective "full". Just questioning the question to answer correctly.

"I ask why on most days we see only part of the moon".

Part of the moon...as it part lit (phases), or just always the same area/side of the moon?

If why we only see the same "side" of the moon, it is because the rotation/spin of the moon is equal to the orbital velocity of the moon around the earth. Or is that still not what you're looking for? Ha. Sorry I'm a aerospace engineer and love physics and space, and just don't know what "part" refers to. :)




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[*] posted on 5-9-2016 at 05:18 PM


Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
Quote: Originally posted by BooJumMan  
Trying to understand the question. Could another way to ask it be: "Why is the moon not always full?"


it's always full - but not from our perspective


Always? Not during a lunar eclipse, when it is in the earth's shadow.




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[*] posted on 5-9-2016 at 06:11 PM


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Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
Quote: Originally posted by BooJumMan  
Trying to understand the question. Could another way to ask it be: "Why is the moon not always full?"


it's always full - but not from our perspective


Always? Not during a lunar eclipse, when it is in the earth's shadow.






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[*] posted on 5-9-2016 at 06:14 PM


Quote: Originally posted by BooJumMan  
Yes of course, I meant from our perspective "full". Just questioning the question to answer correctly.

"I ask why on most days we see only part of the moon".

Part of the moon...as it part lit (phases), or just always the same area/side of the moon?

If why we only see the same "side" of the moon, it is because the rotation/spin of the moon is equal to the orbital velocity of the moon around the earth. Or is that still not what you're looking for? Ha. Sorry I'm a aerospace engineer and love physics and space, and just don't know what "part" refers to. :)




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I had already noticed my careless language and corrected the original question:

Why do we see only part of the moon illuminated by the sun most days?
Like in the image above, we also see the part that is illuminated by earth.
And like any other object in the universe, we never see more than 1/2.




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[*] posted on 5-9-2016 at 07:00 PM


Is it because the sun provides the light and the shadows play tricks on our perception of said light?



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[*] posted on 5-9-2016 at 08:53 PM


here is the easiest approach:

we have 3 things - a source of light (the sun), an object (the moon), an observer on earth (you and I)

earth rotates once around itself towards the east in 24 hours
the moon orbits earth eastward and it moves a little faster than earth
therefore the moon has a different position in the sky every day
that makes the angles between the 3 change every day

the answer: we see only part of the lit moon from our perspective due to the changing angles between moon and earth.

the easy one:
full moon
from our prospective sun and moon are 180 degrees apart (we are in the middle - all 3 are in one line
sun sets, full moon rises
lets assume it's a perfect day night balance, 6 am sun up, 6 pm sun down
then the full moon will be visible the entire night of 12 hours

the next day the almost full moon (waning) will rise at about 7 pm - about one hour (exact 53 min) darkness, 11 hours 7 minutes moonlight

skip to (third quarter) half moon,
half moon will rise at exactly 12 am (6 hours of darkness before, followed by 6 hours of moonlight)
moon will be lit from the bottom at 12 am, because the sun is in the south below the horizon
at 6 am the moon will be exactly in the south (90 degree angle to the sun)
lit from the left because the sun rises at this time in the east
moon will be visible in the day sky until 12 noon

new moon: entire night will be in darkness
moon is between earth and sun (0 degrees angle)

waxing crescent moon (2 days old): visible right before the 6 pm sunset - and a little after sunset, rest of the night will be in total darkness

first quarter half moon:
moon rises at 12 pm
at 6 pm the moon will be exactly in the south
90 degree angle to the sun setting in the west
moon will be 6 hours in the night sky, rest of the night is dark
when the moon sets at 12 am, it will be lit from the bottom




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[*] posted on 5-9-2016 at 09:06 PM


I'll never look at the moon the same :):)
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[*] posted on 5-9-2016 at 09:46 PM


we do a campfire game on occasion

10 feet away from whoever is watching put a water melon on a tripod (apple works as well)
someone shines a flashlight onto the melon
flashlight behind audience = full moon (melon)
flashlight right of audience (90 degrees) = 1st quarter half moon (melon)
flashlight left of audience (90 degrees) = 3rd quarter half moon (melon)
and anything in between


here is a 1st quarter half apple:
https://carlosnpainter.smugmug.com/Travel/2014-04-13-Pily-an...




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[*] posted on 5-9-2016 at 10:18 PM


Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
we do a campfire game on occasion

10 feet away from whoever is watching put a water melon on a tripod (apple works as well)
someone shines a flashlight onto the melon
flashlight behind audience = full moon (melon)
flashlight right of audience (90 degrees) = 1st quarter half moon (melon)
flashlight left of audience (90 degrees) = 3rd quarter half moon (melon)
and anything in between


here is a 1st quarter half apple:
https://carlosnpainter.smugmug.com/Travel/2014-04-13-Pily-an...


Great demo, Harald!! Love it.

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