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rts551
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And by the way Bremmer bought a lot of land up hping for a killing
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Ken Bondy
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I believe that the majority of the people from the Laguna welcomed the project.
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That wasn't the impression I got talking to the pangueros/guides who drove the whalewatch boats for Kuyima at the time the project was active. They
all came from fishing families who worked the lagoon in the summer months, and they seemed to be pretty negative about the project. But it also could
have been my lame Spanish.
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David K
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'Baja' was first known as 'California'...
... and the area now the state in America was known as 'Alta California' as the Spanish explorers and mission padres needed to describe the very
differnt area above the peninsula.
Things got reversed when the higher populated American state's people dropped 'Alta' from the name. Since you can't have two California's, 'Lower' was
added to the Mexican Peninsula's name... Lower in Spanish is Baja.
This is to possibly answer 'Sharksbaja' comment:
"While many people on the Pacific Coast refer to this species as the "California" gray, these migratory whales are in fact born in the Mexican lagoons
of the Baja Peninsula."
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" ...we have 1 main industry salt is 92 percent of the GNP here."
Bruce, you have THE WHALE NURSERY - no other place in the WORLD has that. Have you looked at the register of visitors? People from all over the world
come to see the whales. You have the magnificent cave murals. There are U.S. tour companies charging over $1000 to see those cave murals. You and I
know what the Mexican guides get regardless of the tour operator's fees. When I got back from my cave tour, there was someone selling ice-cold beer
at $2.00 ea. Everybody bought one. The point is, there are plenty of opportunites. Baja is so totally unique - it needs to be protected for its
uniqueness, for the benefit of many, and for the future. Study some of the "eco-tourism" efforts of other countries. You will see high-priced bird
watching tours (been to Rio San Ignacio lately? there's a cat out of the bag - don't go ruining it ), backpacks from point A to point B (Sierra Club
backpacks are $250-500/per person), participants working at turtle nurseries pay big money to do so, etc., Anyway - if you all would start thinking
about how to turn all of your abundance of unique natural wonders into some income, while protecting it at the same time, you will find much success.
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Ken Bondy
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Muy buen dicho, wilderone
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
" ...we have 1 main industry salt is 92 percent of the GNP here."
Bruce, you have THE WHALE NURSERY - no other place in the WORLD has that. Have you looked at the register of visitors? People from all over the world
come to see the whales. You have the magnificent cave murals. There are U.S. tour companies charging over $1000 to see those cave murals. You and I
know what the Mexican guides get regardless of the tour operator's fees. When I got back from my cave tour, there was someone selling ice-cold beer
at $2.00 ea. Everybody bought one. The point is, there are plenty of opportunites. Baja is so totally unique - it needs to be protected for its
uniqueness, for the benefit of many, and for the future. Study some of the "eco-tourism" efforts of other countries. You will see high-priced bird
watching tours (been to Rio San Ignacio lately? there's a cat out of the bag - don't go ruining it ), backpacks from point A to point B (Sierra Club
backpacks are $250-500/per person), participants working at turtle nurseries pay big money to do so, etc., Anyway - if you all would start thinking
about how to turn all of your abundance of unique natural wonders into some income, while protecting it at the same time, you will find much success.
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Thank you wilderone...had I been able to say it as well as you...I would have!
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There are U.S. tour companies charging over $1000 to see those cave murals.
I see where you interests are but this doesn't help the people here much.
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I really think the people that really don't want to disturb the whales habitat are not among the thousands of boats and people that are petting
prodding and bothering the whales.
Bruce R Leech
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http://sfweekly.com/special_reports/whales/
MAGA
Making Attorneys Get Attorneys
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That's right Bruce, it is just a show and you cant drain the tank make it pretty and put new animals in there. Once you screw up an area specific to
species for propagation, you have corrupted there instinctive processes and with marine mammals its a recipe for disaster. Whales are able to tolerate
people(fortunately) without harpoons,dredges or gillnets but if a ancestral mating ground is ruined or otherwise tweaked than the outcome could be
catastrophic and irreversable. There are too few of these types of areas in the first place. Especially with mans' clever harvest techniques and
delivery for commerce.
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You would be suprised on the immediate and influential effect this rich message board provides. AS people pool there kno wledge and resources a
certain sense of urgency comes over the reader/author. This may be because in todays' political forum it is all rehersed and prepared. In this message
board it is real-time input combined with passion and concern that helps drive this board. As one scans and reads past threads, one continues to learn
and pick up knowledge. This is not the norm for most polital forums and discussions do not go beyond the prompts. It is nice to be in an arena where
we are all put on an even playing field. Of course we can all learn from each other and it doesnt take long to find out who, what and where. AS in any
great society, we are free to speak our point. Although writers may appear political at times this is the nature of our need to know. Lets face it
politics overshadows our lives in so many ways. SO many thanx to the Nomads. Leaving manana for Mulege with much gleaned knowledge.
Its nice to know people with influence...
Jean-Michel Cousteau and daughter, Charles(Chuck) Vinick and my beautyiful wife Karen at a recent visit to Newport, OR.
I received this email today
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We actually have a team filming Gray Whales in Baja this week for a PBS series that includes a documentary on Sharks. The Shark show is complete but
certainly Jean-Michel and those of speaking on issues can call attention to this travesty.
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C. Vinick
Thank you for the reply and concern.
please visit www.oceanfutures.org
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Watching Jacques Cousteau on t.v. when I was a kid was always exciting and became part of an underlying motivation to study ecology, which eventually
lead to exploring Baja and the creation of my Baja California conservation web site.
Last spring I went to the Gulf of California Conference in Tucson where Jean Michel Cousteau gave an inspiring and motivating key-note address. It's
hard not to feel optimistic when you're around so many people with such diverse back grounds and who are trying so hard to solve difficult issues.
I agree: it takes discussion, debate, respect, and an open mind to make progress and it?s not always easy (or pleasant) and you usually learn
something along the way, often about yourself. One more reason I stick with it.
gringorio
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