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redhilltown
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Don't want to careen the thread into snake bite land, but isn't antivenom specific to the snake? Meaning only a well equipped hospital is the best
answer?
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all of the above but I ALWAYS carry a small tube of optical antibiotic gel for the eyes.... I have had to use it three different times in past years
when someone scratched an eyeball, or the like.
Saved all three trips
you can buy over the counter in Mex
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Quote: Originally posted by Pacifico  | | Quote: Originally posted by willardguy | | I think its important to also know whats in your neighbors first aid kit. we recently had the rare rattlesnake bite in camp, fortunately the military
checkpoint kit included anti venom. maybe the most important thing in your kit is knowledge of where to find emergency care? |
The military checkpoint kit included anti venom? Usually only hospitals have it. I'm interested in how it was administered; I.V.?
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The medic at the check point gave him a IM of anti venom and a IV of fulids . They took him to San Fielpe ,where he received two more doses of anti
venom. He is doing well . Never go out at night to take a pee
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Pacifico
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| Quote: Originally posted by freediverbrian | | Quote: Originally posted by Pacifico | | Quote: Originally posted by willardguy | | I think its important to also know whats in your neighbors first aid kit. we recently had the rare rattlesnake bite in camp, fortunately the military
checkpoint kit included anti venom. maybe the most important thing in your kit is knowledge of where to find emergency care? |
The military checkpoint kit included anti venom? Usually only hospitals have it. I'm interested in how it was administered; I.V.?
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The medic at the check point gave him a IM of anti venom and a IV of fulids . They took him to San Fielpe ,where he received two more doses of anti
venom. He is doing well . Never go out at night to take a pee |
This is really good to know...especially if many of the military checkpoints have it. Always take a light with you and watch your step in Baja!
"Plan your life as if you are going to live forever. Live your life as if you are going to die tomorrow." - Carlos Fiesta
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Pacifico
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| Quote: Originally posted by redhilltown | | Don't want to careen the thread into snake bite land, but isn't antivenom specific to the snake? Meaning only a well equipped hospital is the best
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I did a little research on this...It appears that some anti-venoms can work across a variety of snakes such as pit vipers; rattlesnakes, cottonmouths,
copperheads. While a totally different anti-venom would be required for a snake such as a coral snake. The manufacturers can make it from a single
species or multiple species to cover a wider range of snakes.
"Plan your life as if you are going to live forever. Live your life as if you are going to die tomorrow." - Carlos Fiesta
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freediverbrian
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They looked around the next day and found and killed a sidewinder . Was it the same snake ????
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willardguy
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I sure hope so! 
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freediverbrian
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Back on topic ,my son was burned by fireworks,you never have enough in your kit!!!
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Hydrogen peroxide
triangle bandage (arm sling)
super glue (close cuts without stitches)
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An EpiPen. My wife was on a road trip in NorCal a few years ago and went into anaphylactic shock because of a mold allergy she didn't know she had.
An ambulance got to her just in the nick of time. The docs told her to never go anywhere without the EpiPen. She told me that I'll have to
administer it because she can't deal with stabbing herself in the leg with that huge needle, but fortunately, we've never had to use it.
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redhilltown
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That is a good reminder to add a Water Jel or similar burn bandage to the kit...takes up little room and there are many many ways to get badly burned
in the outback...even working on a hot car engine...campfires etc.
Kind of forgot just about THE most important item for the kit: latex or better yet, nitrile gloves. I always put them right on top and obvious
because they will be the first thing you need for anything serious as to bleeding.
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John M
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First aid supplies
Quikclot is one item we have put into our first aid kit.
Single use, around $12 - $15 each single use package. Several styles, Quikclot gauze, Quikclot sponge, and Quikclot sport (I think a little larger
than the sponge). The "Sport" is 4'x5" - It doesn't appear that there is any expertise needed. Open the foil package and apply directly to a wound
that won't stop bleeding - you'd leave it in place until you get to a medical facility.
Type Quikclot in Google to learn about it - I think this is way better than a handful of gauze pads. Least expensive on Amazon.
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after a meeting with a cacti I had to endure them removing the pieces with what I as an engineer consider horrible tools. So I searched online and
found some better ones that would have prevented them from gouging so much. Normal tweezers do not have the gripping efficiency needed. The
splinter wants to shift the other direction or to the side, So I found this and ordered it and have used it now several times. By less
aggravation and tearing the near skin the less likely infection is the net. Being a so called inventor drew up a new style one that grips better
from the side and the cost to make them in production is too much.
So try these for $18.00 they were the best I could find and they work way better than any general purpose tweezers. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SZVKD1M/ref=pd_sbs_328_...
Next here is the most important. I am allergic to bees and other things. I get hit by the honey bee and if I can not get a benadryl tablet in me off
to the doctor I go for major shots.
I have found that Benydral topical spray gel is the most amazing. If I put this on a bee sting withing a short time I am fine. Now here is the
more amazing thing, I have tested this on kids and many adults.
I have used it on kids and adults for the ants, the jellyfish, the bugs that we have no clue of what bit us and are swelling /itching/hurting, two
people one being me with scorpien stings, and one person with a sting ray hit. I also gave some of this to the local medical clinic doctor and she
treated many people and said herself it was amazing.
Her example was a local tough Mexican fisherman was stung all over his body by man-o-wars and was in tears as he showed up to this doctor. She had no
other way to treat it and tried and in 5 minutes he was fine.
And that has been true every time I apply it, except the friend hit by a scorpion and the friend by sting ray, they got to me 30 minutes after hit.
So for both of them though in 5 minutes they knew they were improving, still took 30 minutes to say well I feel absolutely fine and no pain.
I went into respiratory arrest because I got hit by the man-o-wars under the armpit ( high blood flow there so was fast). I was escorted back to my
property because I could feel my ability to breath was disappearing. I sprayed that on me, and in the same 5 minutes I knew I was ok.
I have done this with children in full screaming from a jellyfish sting, where in 5 minutes they were ready to go back to the beach and swim. It is
amazing... don't leave the USA without it, not sold in baja.
I swear I would use it on a rattlesnake bite too with how effective the localized spray is. I have smaller portable ones in my truck and car.
Haven't had to go to a MD for bee sting since I discovered it 10 years ago.
Here is the link to it.
https://www.amazon.com/Benadryl-Relief-Spray-Extra-Strength-...
bring an extra one down and give to a friend or local doctor..
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| Quote: Originally posted by DanO | | An EpiPen. My wife was on a road trip in NorCal a few years ago and went into anaphylactic shock because of a mold allergy she didn't know she had.
An ambulance got to her just in the nick of time. The docs told her to never go anywhere without the EpiPen. She told me that I'll have to
administer it because she can't deal with stabbing herself in the leg with that huge needle, but fortunately, we've never had to use it.
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if one would rather not spend $300 on an epi-pen. a vile of epinephrine and a syringe can be had for around $25 if you know a cooperative doctor.
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Laventana, thanks for the tip! I did not know the product existed. I hope I can find it locally, I am hitting the road this weekend, and don't want
to wait for delivery.
I have gotten into jelly fish several times, and have a pretty strong and sudden reaction to them. The sooner the relief starts, the better, so I
want some. I also react pretty strongly to bites from those black gnats (no-seeums, bobo's, jejene's, white socks). Pills are too slow, and Benadryl
makes me groggy and restless at the same time!
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"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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laventana
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In the USA nearly every pharmacy has these topicals.
and yes hated taking the oral benadryl. Knocks me out too. Before the bee sting would also swell up my arm to look like Hulk, and the pill never
stopped the week or so itching still in the arm. When I put this on quick enough my arm does not swell up or have a everlasting itch.
I gave a bottle to friend with horses and she loves it, she use to have horrible reactions to the ant bites when grabbing the hay to feed, always
ants.
I have tried to post this on wikipedia and they will not let me under bee stings, jelly fish and so on, they say I am not qualified to make such a
statement. Shame because it really has helped in over 60 cases I have used it with at least 30 other people I know of. And not a failure to date.
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Sensitivity is a strange thing. Bee stings have a very minor effect on me, mosquitoes, almost none, little or no reaction to poison oak, nettles,
most bug bites, but gnats and jelly fish tear me up!
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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speaking of sensitivities of another sort, I am a manny/mentor/caregiver for two Mexican kids one is allergic to DEET.
So I purchased a bunch of alternative natural repellents and tested them on me. I am a mosquito magnet. So after getting abut 6 types ran into one
that works for the dengue/zika carrying mosquito and he was not allergic to it. The stuff is amazing , smells good and lasts so much longer than any
other stuff.
My test was spray one leg and see if they bite either. This was the only one that worked.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LEPD1A6/ref=pd_bxgy_121...
Guardian Wilderness Deet Free 8 Hour Mosquito and Tick Repellent, 4 Fluid Ounce
also speaking of the other sensitivities I could hold poison Ivy in my hands until i hit about 30, not that I did that but a few times in my teens.
but in my 30s after a hike had my first case of it and thereafter stayed away from trails with it.
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