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just in case anyone wants the Camino Real track
Attachment: Camino Real Santa Maria - El Cajon.kmz (24kB)
This file has been downloaded 136 times
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Would love to ride new road old trail on Motos. Time and miles to ride to road end to mission? We could ride trail from end rode or park motos and
hike.
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Spot on, Harald!
There is also a short switchback that goes down to the bulldozed road from the more obvious ECR track, on the west end of the track you show.
At the bulldozed road:
Up a little bit:
Looking back down from up a ways on the switchback:
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I know - there is a number of shortcuts and alternatives around.
I have hiked some of them
the padres were always looking for a more direct route - even if they had already established one
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around the end of the dozer tracks
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Have you hiked whole distance on that route? Doable on moto expert rider?
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Let's get back to the "Starbucks" thing. Is Starbucks a coffee shop or some kind of code word for something else? And if a coffee shop, HUH? Is there
an article to corroborate?
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I have hiked the entire trail several times
it is a mixture of easy and nasty - flat and steep
a few years ago a couple of guys did it on motos
very intense video on youtube
it was removed a few months later
looking at how well defined the trail is now on the sat images (compared to years afo) makes me believe, more motos have done it
according to the newest sat images the trail is between 2 and 4 ft wide
same width as the Bill Nichol's Rock Trail
[Edited on 11-16-2022 by 4x4abc]
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Quote: Originally posted by StuckSucks  | | Let's get back to the "Starbucks" thing. Is Starbucks a coffee shop or some kind of code word for something else? And if a coffee shop, HUH? Is there
an article to corroborate? |
that reference was for the smarter members of the group
hinting at looming "progress"
if you make access easier,
if you draw in more people,
eventually you will have a Starbucks in that location
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Thank you when Exploring I always tie hiking boots on back of moto.
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Harald, the white zigzag line is about where my photos were taken but the trail was not quite like that.
Larry, Kevin Ward (Dust to Glory producer and m/c racer) rode it round trip from Gonzaga Bay over 20 years ago. A rumor says Malcolm Smith had first!
Jim, a Starbucks will go there about as soon as we land people on Pluto!
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| Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc |
hinting at looming "progress"
if you make access easier,
if you draw in more people,
eventually you will have a Starbucks in that location |
Your humor is spot-on.
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Bumping up a good post! 
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A Starbucks in an area like that would be out of place.....but I suppose an Oxxo or two would fit in!
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho |
We laugh, but an Oxxo in Cataviña itself MIGHT actually work. Especially if they extended their normal model to include fuel.
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The Los Pinos Tomato Exporters of San Quintín (Santa María) have already rebuilt the 1974 Cataviña Parador cafeteria/ rest area, into a market and
they modified the abandoned Pemex outside... It is still not open, but the mini-market is.
Los Pinos (fam. Rodriguez) also owns the Misión hotels at San Quintín (Hotel Misión Santa María) and Cataviña (Hotel Misión Cataviña), plus the
market, airport, and campground at Gonzaga Bay (Rancho Grande). They also have a lot just south of the L.A. Bay highway junction (Parador Punta
Prieta) that was signed for a future Pemex station... >>>
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The way it had been explained to me, many years ago, was or including: the lack of banking nearby (San Quintín is over 100 miles away), a nearly
non-existent labor pool available, and poor business management by the ejido (who never had enough money to refill the gasoline tanks after it was
sold, and they were given multiple chances).
This was also the case at the other failed gas stations of off-grid Baja, after the highway opened (San Agustin and Parador Punta Prieta).
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho |
We laugh, but an Oxxo in Cataviña itself MIGHT actually work. Especially if they extended their normal model to include fuel.
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OXXO owns thousands of gas stations in mexico, currently branded as Pemex just a matter of time you'll see em branded as OXXO stations
there's only two things in life but I forget what they are........
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I don't see the Starbucks???
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