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Quote: Originally posted by Lee  |
Agreed. Unless you're a citizen/national, deportation is a reality.
''The Todos Santos community has insufficient water resources to provide uninterrupted service for the current population, which is growing rapidly.
Our water supply is totally dependent on rainfall; prolonged drought, a common phenomenon in Baja Sur, leads to feast or famine, something we have no
control over. The conclusion here is obvious,- there is no available water for large scale development.
Given the above, Tres Santos will have to provide all the water for its projected development, in excess of 4,400 dwellings, not to mention an organic
farm, and an estimated seven workers and support personnel per new dwelling. If this were to happen we would have over 30,000 new residents turning
on the tap, seven times the current population. Tres Santos said they would not use town water and yet they now have concessions for the first 66
homes. How did that happen?
Tres Santos has promised to provide all the water needed for their development by constructing a desalinazation plant, yet to be constructed or
permitted, which would have to produce a minimum of 2,000,000 gallons per day. This is a major undertaking in an environmentally sensitive area, that
is strongly opposed by the local fishermen and many others.
We challenge Tres Santos Development to make all Permits public
as full ‘Transparency’ is stated as Tres Santos public relation policy.
– Water ‘applications/permits or concessions’ and all usage including SAPA, Ejido & CONAGUA and for Desal
– Where is Tres Santos obtaining water at the construction site?
– Where will they be obtaining water at the Beach and at CSU area?
– What water will the CSU Research Farm utilize, how will it be supplied?
– Waste water treatment, site, size, plan for treated water, costs to operate?
DeSal Issues:
DESAL PLANT DISASTER IN CABO. COULD IT HAPPEN IN TODOS SANTOS?
One of Tres Santos’ proposed solutions to the water crisis in Todos Santos is to build a desal plant.
In Cabo, more than 30 desal plants now operate. Almost all of them of them are privately run. Near the Diamante resort in Cabo (about 60KM south of
Todos Santos), the water authority OOMSAPA runs a desal plant.
At this plant, ocean waves completely severed the plant’s outflow pipes that once discharged brine 600 meters out to sea. For more than three years,
millions of gallons of briny water laden with salt and chemical by-products from the desal process have flowed across the sand. Kids play in the brine
discharge. When turtles lay their eggs, the nests are often washed away by the outflows.
The pipe flows today, unprepared. Tres Santos has said that the design of it’s desal plant will be “different,” and avoid all these problems.
Considering the spectacular engineering failure of the Tres Santos hotel seawall at Punta Lobos, Truth Santos challenges the developer.
Make public the plans for your desal plant. Where will it be built? What kind of technology will it use? Who will the contractor be?
Show the citizens of Todos Santos the Environmental impact Reports, in English AND Spanish.
This link has factual information about when Cabo’s OOMSAPA desal plant was installed, chemicals used, quantity of population served, capacity,
technology and other data.
Tres Santos made public their desal plant in July, 2015 – https://tressantosbaja.com/tres-santos-desalination-plant/
We are asking for all applications/permits/concessions for a DeSal Plant be for public disclosure.
– Is giving permission for a desal plant to Tres Santos ultimately depriving Todos Santos of having a desal plant because of the potential for
restrictions to the number of desal plants in a given geographic area?
– Has ‘Tres Santos’ destroyed beach habitat and protected red mangrove to put in sea walls and platforms to build on without having a firm permit to
build a desal plant?
– How much water will be provided for the 4,472 homes plus hotels and workers? How much is needed per day?
– What will it cost to build a plant, how much to operate the plant?
– What are the Environmental damage and loss of habitat issues?
(Marine life, Endangered Turtles, Whales, Bait fish, Sardines and Traditional Fishermen’s livelihoods, etc…) With south facing discharge?
– What size will they have to build to have a desal plant of sufficient capacity?
– Where will the electric power come from, and what pollution will that add to the environment?
– What is the financial resource to build and operate a desal plant for the thousands of people that would eventually live, work and visit at their
development?
http://truthsantos.org/wateraqua/ |
All talking points from one side of the battle. and some good ones......to be fair there are responses....I won't bother to print them all out. And
I am not a paid spy from MIRA.
https://www.facebook.com/TruthSantosLies/?fref=ts
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| Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Quote: Originally posted by Lee |
Agreed. Unless you're a citizen/national, deportation is a reality.
''The Todos Santos community has insufficient water resources to provide uninterrupted service for the current population, which is growing rapidly.
Our water supply is totally dependent on rainfall; prolonged drought, a common phenomenon in Baja Sur, leads to feast or famine, something we have no
control over. The conclusion here is obvious,- there is no available water for large scale development.
Given the above, Tres Santos will have to provide all the water for its projected development, in excess of 4,400 dwellings, not to mention an organic
farm, and an estimated seven workers and support personnel per new dwelling. If this were to happen we would have over 30,000 new residents turning
on the tap, seven times the current population. Tres Santos said they would not use town water and yet they now have concessions for the first 66
homes. How did that happen?
Tres Santos has promised to provide all the water needed for their development by constructing a desalinazation plant, yet to be constructed or
permitted, which would have to produce a minimum of 2,000,000 gallons per day. This is a major undertaking in an environmentally sensitive area, that
is strongly opposed by the local fishermen and many others.
We challenge Tres Santos Development to make all Permits public
as full ‘Transparency’ is stated as Tres Santos public relation policy.
– Water ‘applications/permits or concessions’ and all usage including SAPA, Ejido & CONAGUA and for Desal
– Where is Tres Santos obtaining water at the construction site?
– Where will they be obtaining water at the Beach and at CSU area?
– What water will the CSU Research Farm utilize, how will it be supplied?
– Waste water treatment, site, size, plan for treated water, costs to operate?
DeSal Issues:
DESAL PLANT DISASTER IN CABO. COULD IT HAPPEN IN TODOS SANTOS?
One of Tres Santos’ proposed solutions to the water crisis in Todos Santos is to build a desal plant.
In Cabo, more than 30 desal plants now operate. Almost all of them of them are privately run. Near the Diamante resort in Cabo (about 60KM south of
Todos Santos), the water authority OOMSAPA runs a desal plant.
At this plant, ocean waves completely severed the plant’s outflow pipes that once discharged brine 600 meters out to sea. For more than three years,
millions of gallons of briny water laden with salt and chemical by-products from the desal process have flowed across the sand. Kids play in the brine
discharge. When turtles lay their eggs, the nests are often washed away by the outflows.
The pipe flows today, unprepared. Tres Santos has said that the design of it’s desal plant will be “different,” and avoid all these problems.
Considering the spectacular engineering failure of the Tres Santos hotel seawall at Punta Lobos, Truth Santos challenges the developer.
Make public the plans for your desal plant. Where will it be built? What kind of technology will it use? Who will the contractor be?
Show the citizens of Todos Santos the Environmental impact Reports, in English AND Spanish.
This link has factual information about when Cabo’s OOMSAPA desal plant was installed, chemicals used, quantity of population served, capacity,
technology and other data.
Tres Santos made public their desal plant in July, 2015 – https://tressantosbaja.com/tres-santos-desalination-plant/
We are asking for all applications/permits/concessions for a DeSal Plant be for public disclosure.
– Is giving permission for a desal plant to Tres Santos ultimately depriving Todos Santos of having a desal plant because of the potential for
restrictions to the number of desal plants in a given geographic area?
– Has ‘Tres Santos’ destroyed beach habitat and protected red mangrove to put in sea walls and platforms to build on without having a firm permit to
build a desal plant?
– How much water will be provided for the 4,472 homes plus hotels and workers? How much is needed per day?
– What will it cost to build a plant, how much to operate the plant?
– What are the Environmental damage and loss of habitat issues?
(Marine life, Endangered Turtles, Whales, Bait fish, Sardines and Traditional Fishermen’s livelihoods, etc…) With south facing discharge?
– What size will they have to build to have a desal plant of sufficient capacity?
– Where will the electric power come from, and what pollution will that add to the environment?
– What is the financial resource to build and operate a desal plant for the thousands of people that would eventually live, work and visit at their
development?
http://truthsantos.org/wateraqua/ |
All talking points from one side of the battle. and some good ones......to be fair there are responses....I won't bother to print them all out. And
I am not a paid spy from MIRA.
https://www.facebook.com/TruthSantosLies/?fref=ts |
Yes, to even consider presenting the other side for consideration puts one in the position of the fanatics calling you evil, a spy and worse.
I agree, those are pretty much all the talking points, and I also lean toward supporting many of them, but the other side does need to be considered.
And frankly, I think it is far more important what the local Mexicans have to say and that has been all over place.
But Lee, that is not the point. Some foreigners decided to jump in and encouraged others to do likewise. They expressed the feeling that since they
were correct in their views, that there was no problem joining the protests. And when they were warned that they were putting their status in
jeopardy, they once again called people evil, spies and worse.
It should be a warning to others --- if you choose to openly protest and get involved, you may not be in Mexico for long.
Shoot, we almost got in trouble on a vacation to Zacatecas when we went to a plaza to watch a teacher's strike protest gathering. We were not
participating, just watching and when the state police approached us, we told them we thought it was just a fiesta. They made it very clear that we
needed to leave.
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I haven't been following too closely, did someone actually get booted?
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2 people left in a hurry just ahead of officials. So they have posted anyway.
This was as of yesterday. It has been reported that Immigration and Hacienda are going through town. Immigration is usually pretty lenient (unless
you violated article 33, and even then you are entitled to a hearing). Now if you have been working, or run a business without proper paperwork,
hacienda could be involved and it is much worse.
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It might be splitting hairs, but it's worth pointing out that Peter Buck didn't call out Tres Santos or the mine by name, but basically urged locals
to "take back their town." Pretty mild compared to the rhetoric we hear in the U.S. during election season, but it seems the local government takes
exception to foreigners even implying corruption. Personally, methinks Mr. Buck may have had one too many margaritas and was letting off steam, but he
may have temporarily forgotten that he was - and remains - a guest in Mexico and not a rock star in the eyes of municipal government.
As for his quick exit from town, I'm not sure if it was planned (I left on Sunday 1/24, one day after the concert finale due to work commitments back
in MA) or strongly urged by impending circumstances. In any case, it's an interesting development because Buck's involvement with the Palapa Society
has benefited the children of Todos Santos greatly. It would be a shame to see one of the pueblo's benefactors getting hassled or for the annual music
festival to get derailed.
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Maybe we need one of DavidK's signs. NO PROTESTING ALLOWED. He could add it to his recommendation on passports/tourist permits to the Mexican
government.
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boy oh boy. looks ugly no matter which side you are on. for a coop to split up is sad.
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As far as has been reported in the news, no extranjeros have been asked to leave. Peter Buck left before questions about his status and then it was
discovered he had a valid fmm as reported in the news, so INM dropped it and there is nothing to pursue.
Denuncias may be filed by any legal resident accusing another person of a wrong, then the denuncia must be served to the individual (3 attempts) and
the individual defendant may respond in a statement, then the process may proceed to be investigated--often with little outcome. As well government
officials my investigate perceived wrongs on their own.
Peter Buck was apparently informally accused in the news of saying something to the affect of let's end corruption and make things better during a
music set without identifying or targeting anyone. Other extranjeros are apparently accused of blocking access to the rightful owners of the
development but no evidence exists apparently of tourists blocking access to developers/owners while they were supporting the fishermen with gifts of
food. INM has backed down that they would be investigating anyone now except as it is their normal role only to ensure that people who are more than
30 days overdue should resolve their status formally.
And now the issue of all people's individual's rights that may not be restricted is a topic of news stories and the light is shining on the
constitution with respect for all people's individual rights, for example, freedom from discrimination regardless of civil status, discussion of
freedom of expression of culture, right to liberty, right to education and right to teach, right to survive, right to die etc... All in all the
circumstances are calm, interesting, and it's a positive discussion. Much more calm the one sees NOB. And there are still whales jumping across
sunsets...
So at the moment everyone is free to come and go as they please and everyone is free to speak up as they please. Let us recall the grand history and
tradition of Professor Agundez of Todos Santos who was a great educator and promotor of respect for culture.
Here is an english translation of the mexican constitution, read the whole thing and article 33 in particular in light of article 1. http://www.juridicas.unam.mx/infjur/leg/constmex/pdf/constin...
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Video of the lady from Colorado. Appears to me maybe she got caught up in emotions and politics involving the fishermen and developers ..
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https://www.facebook.com/ezequiel.lizalde/videos/10154059669...
Also, Seems no one was going to be deported. From colectivopericu.net
The manager of Office of the National Institute of Migration (INM) in BCS, Édgar Fernando Castro Herrera, declared that he does not know what
"authority" was the one that "intimidated" the resident foreigners in All Saints, since only it is up to them to do the cross-checks, and to invite
the tourists to regularize its status in case they are in an illegal way in the country. <br> <br> “I do not know who were, yes I saw the
video of the foreign woman, but we always walk with uniform and in official vehicles, and only we do the cross-check of which they have its current
permission; if the person is not, we leave the notification to him […] When they come from tourists, they are 6 months old or 180 days of permission;
once it is detected that the person has not left the country, he is visited and it is invited him to regularize, 30 days give it to themselves to do
it, and they already decide to leave the country, or go out only to be regularized and to return with another 6 months like tourist”. <br>
<br> On the case of the American guitarist, Peter Buck, the manager of Office of the organism of the Federal Government confirmed that they did
the visit to its domicile, but he was already not in the country; on the other hand, he told that the INM does the cross-checks in the whole state,
almost in a daily way or they come to do them because they received an anonymous denunciation of which there are foreigners working of illegal
form.<br> <br> “Of the same way, in the topic of the guitarist, we went to verify its situation, but when we came, he either it was not,
either it had gone away […] We do the cross-checks almost every day, very independently from what happened in All Saints; we come to the companies
that have foreigners working or to the domiciles that they register; also, we do the cross-check when they do some anonymous denunciation of which
some tourist is working in an illegal way, it is already done by Mexicans or for the same foreigners […] what more we find it are foreign that start
teaching of surfeo or of diving”.<br> <br> Finally, Castro Herrera, mentioned that the foreigners who come from tourists to BCS, when its
tourist's permission is conquered, yes are fulfilled to come to realize its regularization step.<br> <br> “When, to 30 days they are not
regularized, he turns to visit them, and one gives them an office of exit, where it is indicated them that they have to go out of the country; in
general, almost 100 % of the foreigners is fulfilled and yes they it do […] The Law of Migration he contemplates that they have the possibility of
being regularized, it is more flexible; already, for a deportation, it is stronger and extreme, practically it would be applied when they were putting
in danger the national security”.
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | As far as has been reported in the news, no extranjeros have been asked to leave. Peter Buck left before questions about his status and then it was
discovered he had a valid fmm as reported in the news, so INM dropped it and there is nothing to pursue.
Denuncias may be filed by any legal resident accusing another person of a wrong, then the denuncia must be served to the individual (3 attempts) and
the individual defendant may respond in a statement, then the process may proceed to be investigated--often with little outcome. As well government
officials my investigate perceived wrongs on their own.
Peter Buck was apparently informally accused in the news of saying something to the affect of let's end corruption and make things better during a
music set without identifying or targeting anyone. Other extranjeros are apparently accused of blocking access to the rightful owners of the
development but no evidence exists apparently of tourists blocking access to developers/owners while they were supporting the fishermen with gifts of
food. INM has backed down that they would be investigating anyone now except as it is their normal role only to ensure that people who are more than
30 days overdue should resolve their status formally.
And now the issue of all people's individual's rights that may not be restricted is a topic of news stories and the light is shining on the
constitution with respect for all people's individual rights, for example, freedom from discrimination regardless of civil status, discussion of
freedom of expression of culture, right to liberty, right to education and right to teach, right to survive, right to die etc... All in all the
circumstances are calm, interesting, and it's a positive discussion. Much more calm the one sees NOB. And there are still whales jumping across
sunsets...
So at the moment everyone is free to come and go as they please and everyone is free to speak up as they please. Let us recall the grand history and
tradition of Professor Agundez of Todos Santos who was a great educator and promotor of respect for culture.
Here is an english translation of the mexican constitution, read the whole thing and article 33 in particular in light of article 1. http://www.juridicas.unam.mx/infjur/leg/constmex/pdf/constin... |
Big words from a big mouth. I bet the lady above is not agreeing with you. She had legal advice from John Moreno, http://www.thebajalawyer.com/ . People can and do get deported. Somehow I don't think she would want you as a representative professor/abogado
GNU.
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| Quote: Originally posted by CaboSur | Video of the lady from Colorado. Appears to me maybe she got caught up in emotions and politics involving the fishermen and developers ..
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https://www.facebook.com/ezequiel.lizalde/videos/10154059669...
Also, Seems no one was going to be deported. From colectivopericu.net
The manager of Office of the National Institute of Migration (INM) in BCS, Édgar Fernando Castro Herrera, declared that he does not know what
"authority" was the one that "intimidated" the resident foreigners in All Saints, since only it is up to them to do the cross-checks, and to invite
the tourists to regularize its status in case they are in an illegal way in the country. <br> <br> “I do not know who were, yes I saw the
video of the foreign woman, but we always walk with uniform and in official vehicles, and only we do the cross-check of which they have its current
permission; if the person is not, we leave the notification to him […] When they come from tourists, they are 6 months old or 180 days of permission;
once it is detected that the person has not left the country, he is visited and it is invited him to regularize, 30 days give it to themselves to do
it, and they already decide to leave the country, or go out only to be regularized and to return with another 6 months like tourist”. <br>
<br> On the case of the American guitarist, Peter Buck, the manager of Office of the organism of the Federal Government confirmed that they did
the visit to its domicile, but he was already not in the country; on the other hand, he told that the INM does the cross-checks in the whole state,
almost in a daily way or they come to do them because they received an anonymous denunciation of which there are foreigners working of illegal
form.<br> <br> “Of the same way, in the topic of the guitarist, we went to verify its situation, but when we came, he either it was not,
either it had gone away […] We do the cross-checks almost every day, very independently from what happened in All Saints; we come to the companies
that have foreigners working or to the domiciles that they register; also, we do the cross-check when they do some anonymous denunciation of which
some tourist is working in an illegal way, it is already done by Mexicans or for the same foreigners […] what more we find it are foreign that start
teaching of surfeo or of diving”.<br> <br> Finally, Castro Herrera, mentioned that the foreigners who come from tourists to BCS, when its
tourist's permission is conquered, yes are fulfilled to come to realize its regularization step.<br> <br> “When, to 30 days they are not
regularized, he turns to visit them, and one gives them an office of exit, where it is indicated them that they have to go out of the country; in
general, almost 100 % of the foreigners is fulfilled and yes they it do […] The Law of Migration he contemplates that they have the possibility of
being regularized, it is more flexible; already, for a deportation, it is stronger and extreme, practically it would be applied when they were putting
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This poor girl. She also says she got word the police were coming for her. No matter what INM is saying now, something scared her enough to scoot
to Colorado in a hurry and leave her life and husband.
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It is possible to be deported, I know of a few cases, one where a foreigner from Guatemala went to a rally for sub commandant Marcos in La Paz and was
later discovered to not have a FMM and another case or two when people went to carnaval and got drunk and arrested and were discovered to not have an
FMM. In each of these cases the people were welcomed back after leaving and returning.
In general foreign visitors come and go annually with the seasons so leaving and returning often is not uncommon.
Perhaps not unlike anywhere today, some people enjoy fanning the flames of racism and make broad statements with threats of deportation, however, that
is not reality here.
People have the right to pursue clean food and water to survive, for the right to express themselves in their culture whether that be as an artist,
singer, fisherman, and people should not fear persecution for studying, educating and working together to improve their regional culture while
respecting other's culture.
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | It is possible to be deported, I know of a few cases, one where a foreigner from Guatemala went to a rally for sub commandant Marcos in La Paz and was
later discovered to not have a FMM and another case or two when people went to carnaval and got drunk and arrested and were discovered to not have an
FMM. In each of these cases the people were welcomed back after leaving and returning.
In general foreign visitors come and go annually with the seasons so leaving and returning often is not uncommon.
Perhaps not unlike anywhere today, some people enjoy fanning the flames of racism and make broad statements with threats of deportation, however, that
is not reality here.
People have the right to pursue clean food and water to survive, for the right to express themselves in their culture whether that be as an artist,
singer, fisherman, and people should not fear persecution for studying, educating and working together to improve their regional culture while
respecting other's culture.
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Talk about fanning the flames. Tell all your BS to the poor girl above. Easy to be an armchair protester on a tourist forum. When was the last
time you protested or marched in support of "right to pursue clean food and water to survive, for the right to express themselves in their culture
whether that be as an artist, singer, fisherman, and people should not fear persecution for studying, educating and working together to improve their
regional culture while respecting other's culture." Local officials can and will do their own thing.
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People have the right to pursue clean food and water to survive, for the right to express themselves in their culture whether that be as an artist,
singer, fisherman, and people should not fear persecution for studying, educating and working together to improve their regional culture while
respecting other's culture.
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Indeed....and well....sometimes ya just do what you gotta do.
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The two environmental controversies in the Todos Santos area are Tres Santos and Los Cardones gold mine. Those interested can Google these two
subjects and spend an afternoon shifting through the pros and cons. Commodity prices are down so it appears Los Cardones won't get built in the near
future. Tres Santos is a fact on the ground. They took a really beautiful beach at Punto Lodos, built a huge pad too near the water and the beach
has eroded away. Its really sickening to see what apparently either poor planning or poor execution and lax environmental oversight can do to our
environment. This was done by a Colorado-based development company that advertised their stewardship of the environment as a core value. Poor
Colorado State University, which has a campus in TS as part of the in-town phase of the development, is caught in the middle. I'd be surprised if
they stick around after the destruction of the beach and conflicts with the local fishermen.
On another level I'm distressed to see people smugly cheering the problems that Peter Buck finds himself in for expressing his opinion on the Tres
Santos issue. Peter, probably unaware of the Article 33 non-political involvement clause that he agreed to was coming off a very successful TS Music
Festival- See the linked Rolling Stone article: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/peter-bucks-paradise-...
and perhaps enjoying Mexican beverages a bit too much expressed his opinion publicly, touched a raw nerve and peeed off some powerful people with his
comments. This Article 33 issue must have been dreamed up by an attorney representing these interests as retaliation. I have to say in all my many
years in Mexico I've never heard this Article invoked. Peter and his wife Chloe Johnson have put on this festival for five years out of their own
pockets (spending something close to a half million USD) and have raised hundreds of thousands of USD for the Palapa Society which uses the money to
send local kids to university and helped families recover from H. Odile. I don't see anyone else stepping up like they have and it would truly be sad
to lose them and their positive contributions to our community!
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Thanks ceilomar.
Colorado-based development company that advertised their stewardship of the environment as a core value.
If the environment was really important to these folks, they would be in a different business.
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Good riddance to that gal from colo. Mexico doesn`t need any more doped up misguided gringas.
ps put out the ciggy you lameO
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Cielo...I do not think Buck is a newbie to Mexico.....from the article you quote. "Buck, who is based in Portland, Oregon, vacationed in Todos Santos
for several years before buying a house in 2008." If He is not yet aware of the laws of Mexico, He had better learn fast.
On another level, I do not believe any one is "smugly cheering the problems". What I see more of is people cautioning those that are not aware, a
disbelief in the ignorance of some others, and an amazement of the involvement of Gringo guests in the affairs of Mexico. Why so many Gringos
screaming and so few Mexicans? Just my 2 cents.
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| Quote: Originally posted by chippy | Good riddance to that gal from colo. Mexico doesn`t need any more doped up misguided gringas.
ps put out the ciggy you lameO |
If the only information you have about this gringa is from the video, you are truly off center.
I watched the video and thought she was scared, and had been intimidated by someone. And you're judging her on smoking, too?
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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Lee
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Registered: 10-2-2006
Location: High in the Colorado Rockies
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| Quote: Originally posted by norte |
Talk about fanning the flames. Tell all your BS to the poor girl above. Easy to be an armchair protester on a tourist forum. When was the last
time you protested or marched....
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Is all this directed at gnu kid? Reads like someone is looking for a fight.
Hey norte why don't you give it rest then write something civil. You're just coming across as a first class a**hole.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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