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Baja Bernie
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Just really not worth it
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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Diver
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Just a bit melodramatic, wouldn't you say ?? 
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bajajudy
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Bernie
What?
[Edited on 10-12-2005 by bajajudy]
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Bruce R Leech
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Baja Bernie
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Diver
No, just very tired. Sorry. Writing does that to me sometimes.
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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Diver
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Bernie,
It was a good story and got 98 reads already.
Don't be tired; be satisfied !
Thanks again.
Oops, just noticed that your last post had a 2004 date.
Whatever you're writing, let it satisfy you to put the words to paper. You do it well.
[Edited on 10-12-2005 by Diver]
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Baja Bernie
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Diver
Thank you.
Sometimes when I am looking for a way to make something meaningful and a bit amusing at the same time
I....................................................well, you know!
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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Tucker
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Pompano, I agree with your views of the missions. They are symbols of the opression of the native peoples.
Bernie: Hernan Cortes.
\"I think it would be a good idea.\"
-- Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization
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Osprey
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I thought the priest's quote was about the Pericu "comen sin HASTIO (they eat without GREED/HASTE, viven sin verguenza, mueren sin timor"
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wilderone
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"Pompano, I agree with your views of the missions. They are symbols of the opression of the native peoples."
So how do you feel about your cotton shirts and cigarettes?? Also, "symbols" of the kidnapping, slavery and oppression of Africans brought to the US
and sold as chattel.
The Egyption pyramids, similarly, were built by slaves, as were some of the Inca structures. Even today, children are enslaved in some countries
sewing clothes and making buttons for their masters - the North American clothing industry. etc, etc, etc. We seem to learn little from past errors
of humankind.
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bajaden
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
"Pompano, I agree with your views of the missions. They are symbols of the opression of the native peoples."
We seem to learn little from past errors of humankind. |
Whats with this we, mr lone ranger. Some of us have, not that it makes a tinkers damm. I can't spend a lot of time worrying about something I can't do
anything about.
Just keep typing Bernie and we'll keep reading.
At a feast of egos, everyone leave\'s hungry...
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Cincodemayo
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Don't shop at Wallmart.
Don\'t get mad...
Get EVEN.
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rpleger
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja Bernie
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What is not worth it?
Richard on the Hill
*ABROAD*, adj. At war with savages and idiots. To be a Frenchman abroad is to
be miserable; to be an American abroad is to make others miserable.
-- Ambrose Bierce, _The Enlarged Devil\'s Dictionary_
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Tucker
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I picked a lot of cotton (by hand) and other crops when I was young, being a child of the dust bowl ain't far from slavery.
\"I think it would be a good idea.\"
-- Mahatma Gandhi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization
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Frank
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Bernie I can only re-read the books I got from you so many times, I need more.......Its worth it!
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pompano
Baja Bernie,
... Sorry David K! Would like to see more history-related articles on
pre-European Baja....
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Have you seen my rock art photos? These are 'pre-European invasion' history posts from me... LOT'S!
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Diver
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Bernie; I never knew !
Sorry, I just finally took the time to check out your website.
Totally awsome !! Great titles ! I gotta have them !
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
"Pompano, I agree with your views of the missions. They are symbols of the opression of the native peoples."
So how do you feel about your cotton shirts and cigarettes?? Also, "symbols" of the kidnapping, slavery and oppression of Africans brought to the US
and sold as chattel.
The Egyption pyramids, similarly, were built by slaves, as were some of the Inca structures. Even today, children are enslaved in some countries
sewing clothes and making buttons for their masters - the North American clothing industry. etc, etc, etc. We seem to learn little from past errors
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Well stated Wilderone, as you just can't "wish away" the past because it contained some politically incorrect or negative events... Deal with it...
learn from it... teach from it!
The missions became many of today's towns and villages in Baja... Guadalupe, La Mision, Santa Catarina, Santo Tomas, San Vicente, El Rosario, Santa
Gertrudis, San Ignacio, Mulege, La Purisima, Comondu, Loreto, San Luis Gonzaga, Todos Santos, Santiago, San Jose del Cabo all owe their existance to
the mission settlements started by those 'evil' Catholics.
(painting of the mission at Mulege, by Hugo Lopez of El Rosario, hanging in a room at the Baja Cactus Motel.)
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jrbaja
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History according to
Yep. First came the missions, then water magically appeared in all these sites.
All these sites have a prereligion tale to tell. A very few of the areas still know the history prior to missions as the stories have been passed
down from the original? inhabitants.
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David K
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I am affraid the original inhabiting race died off (thanks to those Europeans) before today's population came to farm or ranch the land. No more
Indians meant no more need for missions (or slave labor to do the mission work). Mexico became independant from Spain, took the land from the
remaining open missions, the missions were abandoned. Some became local parish churches for the new Mexican population
Some of the Spanish soldiers did have children with Indian women (some priests too, perhaps)... But there were no more pagen religious ceremonies as
all the remaining Indians were converted by the early 1800's.
Stories are passed along from generation to generation, but only written history can be used to provide credible information. The Baja Indians had no
written language.
Perhaps record these village stories on paper and compare to documented history? I recall (from you) the residents of Mision San Luis Gonzaga didn't
even know their own history... well, the mission's history as in the date it was founded. Even a Mexican made map of Baja had the wrong date for it...
Being Mexican, living in Mexico, or even living at a historic location doesn't automatically make you knowledgeable about the history of Baja. It
takes research! I can recommend some great books...
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