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You are the guy supporting under-education....and have no clue what my level of awareness is.....just keep on blathering about your flying fantasies
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Why are you attacking me dumbf*ck.
Or let's take this to the parking lot and I will show you just how uneducated I can be...
Stop the personal attack now!
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OH! You guys!
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| Quote: Originally posted by caj13 | David - Exactly what I expected from you , deflect and try and redirect. I know the law - unfortunately for you - So Do YOU! But since it is
counter to your arguements and pontificatiojns, you deliberately try and ignore it, and hope you can make everybody "look over there"
There is a rule of law, it is very clear, and it is not being followed. Period - end of story - sorry Amigo - Laws! and it's to bad for you
those laws don't make exceptions for brown people - because thats what this is all about - and you know it David.
Which side of history are you going to stand on David?
And you lack of understanding of economics, and economic History, is breathtaking to say the least! It must be exhausting trying to come up with
the constant mental gymnastics required to ignore fact and cherry pick enough info to try and build any sort of weak support for your personal agenda!
and how about we be realistic and accurate - lets say we go back 10 yeARS, INSTEAD OF THIS MAGICAL 8 - or 15 years. Now rerun those statistics -
who created the most jobs? who created the most economic growth? BTW - He's black - and I know that doesnt sit well with many here!
Davids contribution:
At some point, you must see that Trump is not like any other politician (because he isn't one) or cares about being PC (because he isn't). Trump, in
his brash style, has been effective at repairing 8 years of damage done to the American economy.
actually David - see here is where you lack perspective - the "Damage" to the USA economy was not the last 8 years - But you knew that right? But
that doesn't fit with your narative - right, so you need to deflect and obscure!
and please get out your little blue pocket constitution I'm sure you carry with you all the time. It appears as if you may not have read part of that
properly!
Can you go re-read specifically : article 1 - section 8 clause 1, and section 9 clause 7.
so then tell me again how the "president" spent all that money? - And you might want to keep those sections handy, it might serve you well when it
comes to court cases about the so called emergency!
Davids contribution:
We had the highest number of people on food stamps, scary high unemployment and a stagnant economy that couldn't get above 2% growth in any of the
previous 8 years. That last president also spent more of our money than all the presidents back to George Washington, combined! For what? He believed
that government and socialism was the answer.
and the deficit right? highest ever - oops, oops - we need to ignore that fact! because it turns out we have a new record deficit - don't we
David!
Davids contribution:
So, the United States elected Trump as the only one strong enough to turn America around to make prosperity a good thing again.
Mr trump won the electorial college. When it comes to the people of the USA - they voted for Clinton David - but you knew that - right - Mr trump
had 3 million less popular votes. There is a reason Trump came out last week so strongly against one person one vote ! 184 of the 270 electorial
votes needed are now committed to the national popular vote interstate compact. That scares thre hell out of repub right wingers.
Theres a republican conservative ideology if i ever heard one - every person who is qualified to vote - their vote counts exactly the same as any
other persons vote! You can get behind that - right David.
You don't think brown and black peoples votes should count any less that yours - right?
heres a number that might not fit your rosey economic view David - try on 9.1 trillion! Hows that go down? thats the increase in the budget
deficit under trumps budgets. i assume you guys will crowd fund that away right -
and speaking of that, i do admire Trump for his economically advantagous plan to force Mexico to pay for the wall ! I'm all for that = how that
coming along? and have you donated to the crowd funding of the Wall David - seems like you ought to do your patriotic duty and support that with
every spare dollar!
Davids contribution:
There is a reason why we now have You may not like the person, but you got to love the results. The lowest unemployment rate in history for most..
after just 2 years and after 2 years of being condemned as having Russian involvement by the left and fake news, and now proven totally false. Who did
work with the Russians during the election (and before, selling uranium)? Hillary! LOL!!![/rquote]
so lets see
Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team indicted or got guilty pleas from 34 people and three companies during their lengthy investigation, which is
now complete.
That group is composed of six former Trump advisers, 26 Russian nationals, three Russian companies, one California man, and one London-based lawyer.
Seven of these people (including five of the six former Trump advisers) have pleaded guilty.
yeah - complete fake news!
and how about we actually wait for the Mueller report to be released. I would rather read the 300 pages for myself, instead of a 4 page summary by a
designated partisan!
and at what point will you admit what has been proven long ago - this whole Uranium deal was a conspiracy theory dealt by right wing bloggers and
geniuses like the self admitted psycotic Jones. but if thats all you have, I guess you need to roll it out again, ignore facts , and get back into
your echo chambers.
david, I feel bad for you. No matter what you think, the data , facts, numbers, history - it's all stacking up against you. That has to make it
really hard to remain willfully Ignorant!
In your case, I do not think you are willfully ignorant, but i do know you are actively ignoring anything that threatens your personal and political
beliefs.
here's a hint David, if you let facts and information actually inform and shape your views , beliefs abnd opinions, it is alot easier ! you can
defend your ideology based on those facts and information, instead of having to work so very hard to come up with such completely obvious willfully
inadaquite "reasons" for your beliefs.
and just to be clear David, I have never voted for a Clinton in my life, and I did vote for Reagan. so that kind of screws up your demonization
tool - right?
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This is a great post. Great arguments against some obvious falsehoods.
Brian
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When it comes to who is educated
https://www.census.gov/data/tables/2017/demo/education-attai...
As for who voted ... Guess we will never really know ... due to States Rights ... Wow haven't heard that one since the 60's and/or the Civil War 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/janetwburns/2017/07/04/now-44-s...
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Interesting statistics...
But why make this about race and promote stereo types like that?
Because isn't that what you just did... and incite hatred...
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Not my "numbers" they are from the Federal Government on education and facts really don't have feelings IMO ... as for "knowing" who is voting ...
that speaks for its self and has nothing to do with "hatred" .. also IMO
The only point beeping raised was the "educational level" of voters in the United States and whether those voting are in fact eligible to vote in an
election for President ... since some would like to do away with the Electoral College 
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"...speaks for itself"
Really, how so...?
Numbers don't speak... but you do...
What is it you are implying...?
Speak up!
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| Quote: Originally posted by fishbuck | "...speaks for itself"
Really, how so...?
Numbers don't speak... but you do...
What is it you are inplying...?
Speak up! |
I'm glad I'm not the only one who has trouble trying to understand what Wesson is trying to say and I doubt even he knows what is is trying to say
because he is usually off topic and all over the place, but one thing that you can alway be sure of are the racial undertones with his postings.
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Thank you Dave.
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I think it was only 70,000 votes over 3 states that tilted the Electoral College to President Trump. I really don't see a reason to change it, that's
really not much to overcome for a Democrat presidential win in 2020. Finding a proper candidate may be the hard part.
Weren't there 10 million more Democrat votes versus Republican in 2018? Up from 3 million more in 2016? I know it was a substantial increase in
voter participation, even for a midterm election.
John
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The educational numbers do in fact speak for themselves ... as it relates to educational levels of American Citizen's who vote (see link provided
above)
The fact that 44 States would not comply with a request for documentation on voters also speakers very clearly on what State's think about their role
in insuring complete and open elections .. IMO ... Which most with a reasonable ability to read should easily understand ... provided there is not
basis in the ability to read and comprehend (see link provided above)
The concept that high population density would have an unbalanced impact on the election process ... Was also a concern of the French after their
revolution ... with the primary concern centered on the most populace center in France at that time " Paris" and many in the the Colonies were keenly
aware of, also ... Hence the development and incorporation of the Electoral College in the development and passage of our Constitution by the
founding fathers .... Nothing new there
The Electoral College is a process, not a place. The founding fathers established it in the Constitution as a compromise between election of the
President by a vote in Congress and election of the President by a popular vote of qualified citizens. ... A majority of 270 electoral votes
is required to elect the President.
Agree with John ... the proper candidate ... which is spot on
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| Quote: Originally posted by wessongroup | The educational numbers do in fact speak for themselves ... as it relates to educational levels of American Citizen's who vote (see link provided
above)
The fact that 44 States would not comply with a request for documentation on voters also speakers very clearly on what State's think about their role
in insuring complete and open elections .. IMO ... Which most with a reasonable ability to read should easily understand ... provided there is not
basis in the ability to read and comprehend (see link provided above)
The concept that high population density would have an unbalanced impact on the election process ... Was also a concern of the French after their
revolution ... with the primary concern centered on the most populace center in France at that time " Paris" and in the Colonies ... Hence the
development and incorporation of the Electoral College in the development and passage of our Constitution by the founding fathers .... Nothing new
there
The Electoral College is a process, not a place. The founding fathers established it in the Constitution as a compromise between election of the
President by a vote in Congress and election of the President by a popular vote of qualified citizens. ... A majority of 270 electoral votes is
required to elect the President.
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All this "education" and I still don't know what you are trying to make these numbers say.
Please stop abusing these helpless numbers and just say what you mean.
Plain english.
Summorize your analysis for me.
What is your point.
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Why don't you tell me what YOU don't understand .... As it relates to the level of education of voters participating in Presidential Elections
I posted the numbers as a reference to those that were implying that some lack a certain level of education for voting ... Based on the numbers where
is the short fall located (lower levels of education) ... GOP or Democrat ? when it comes to voting for a President
I believe I have stated and restated MY point on both education and the need for the Electoral College
And I'm not "trying" to make the numbers say anything .... The numbers speak for themselves as it relates to educational levels of voters in
Presidential Elections.
As does the refusal of 44 states to comply with a request of information on voters roles in each state
This is where I came in on .... education
| Quote: Originally posted by motoged |
You are the guy supporting under-education....and have no clue what my level of awareness is.....just keep on blathering about your flying fantasies
and the other unfulfilled daydreams....and your norm will be maintained.... |
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | If only Los Angeles was left out of the last election, Trump would also have won the popular vote. A map of counties going to a candidate more closely
aligns with the logic of an electoral college. However, Trump won most of the states, anyway. The states vote for the president.
The purpose of the electoral college is to make sure the president is elected by and represents all 50 of the United States. If it was a popular vote
that mattered, then the candidates would only campaign in the few most populated states, primarily the left and right coasts.
An electoral college protects the minority and ensures the president represents most of the states not just the crowded masses in big cities.
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You mean leave out the heavy Latino voters who turned California blue, and Trump would have won the popular vote too.
There is a lesson in this California, was not always a blue state. Republican, Governor, Pete Wilson, and prop 187, turned California from a pro
Republican to a deep blue state, and Trump, is a lot worse that Pete Wilson, in playing the divisive race card, so what Trump's doing is not anything
new, although Trump, is playing racial politics on steroids.
Of course the founding fathers though way back a few centuries ago that the electoral college would be the best way to pick the President, but clearly
this is also a flawed system when every recent Presidential race is decided on about four Midwest states and Florida. At least Florida, is a diverse
state with many different people from different backgrounds, but the Midwest states are mostly white working class states, with both city and rural
parts.
So in 2020 we are probably going to look at a state like Wisconsin, that's mostly white, working class, and rural.
I'm sorry, that''s just not America anymore.
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Perhaps a more realistic view of voting would be looking at the county level for each state .... Tends to give a somewhat different view ... as it
relates to voting "centers" within the United States
2016 elections by counties
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2018 elections .. mid terms
btw .. just numbers 
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On topic. Can we just have a show of hands? Who thinks shutting down the border would be a really great idea?
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lee | On topic. Can we just have a show of hands? Who thinks shutting down the border would be a really great idea?
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Why attack Trump people by calling them stupid?
What does that get you Lee?
So anyone that doesn't agree with Lee is stupid?
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | If only Los Angeles was left out of the last election, Trump would also have won the popular vote. A map of counties going to a candidate more closely
aligns with the logic of an electoral college. However, Trump won most of the states, anyway. The states vote for the president.
The purpose of the electoral college is to make sure the president is elected by and represents all 50 of the United States. If it was a popular vote
that mattered, then the candidates would only campaign in the few most populated states, primarily the left and right coasts.
An electoral college protects the minority and ensures the president represents most of the states not just the crowded masses in big cities.
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One person, one vote. flock those hillbillies that want their vote to count for more because they live in some rural backwater.
Woke!
Hands off!
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lee | On topic. Can we just have a show of hands? Who thinks shutting down the border would be a really great idea?
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Trump is an idiot. He spouts nonsense w/o thinking. No one is going to shut down the border, especially president cheetoh head.
Woke!
Hands off!
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"Trump supporters are stupid"
"Trump is an idiot"
"President cheetoh head"
"Trump spouts nonsense"
"Trump voters are backwater hillbillies"
Did I miss any...
Keep em coming.
This is entertaining and enlightening.
One could say this is... very educational
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