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LancairDriver
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Hmm..I thought they paid into those programs.
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bajaguy
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Don't confuse the issue with facts
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mtgoat666
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Yep, but still the dole.
I like these programs, nothing wrong with doling out dollars.
Woke!
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will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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BajaBlanca
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If those numbers are correct, what a shame that so many stay without becoming legal residents. It is so simple and inexpensive compared to doing
the same in the States.
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JoeJustJoe
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Don't forget you brought you those programs, medicare and social security, it's was the so-called socialist democrats, back in the day in the 30's and
later in the 60's.
Now these two social programs are even popular among the conservatives, but be careful, because the GOP is always looking to dismantle or privatized
these two widely popular social programs to the detriment of Senior citizens from the states.
The other thing I witness in Rosarito, and I'm sure it goes on in other places in Mexico, is that amount of US ex-pats, on Social Security disability,
for either work or mental related disability.
Although, you get paid more monthly on Social Security disability, than regular early retirement Social Security, I'm not sure it's enough to make
the legal requirements to live in Mexico, if that's their only income.
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greengoes
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It isn't if, it is when, the Mexican government will catch two FMM/FMT applications in a twelve month span.
Just as one day coming down 5 into beautiful downtown Tijuana there will be people manning the booths that have been built asking for ID's.
Papers Please
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BajaBill74
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I have medicare and social security. These are brought up frequently in this thread. However, I understand medicare does not cover you in Mexico.
Please let me know if I'm wrong, which I hope is the case.
What I'm doing at work is so secret, even I don't know what I'm doing!
One should believe in God, because even Google doesn't know everything.
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to even insinuate that the cross border exchange betweeen mexicanos and expats is similar, is idiotic. Families of mexicanos live, work and send thier
children to school here, which is actually fine with me, but there are huge differnces in the dynamic's. First, if you are an american living or
visiting mexico for a long period of time, don't ever think about trying to work there, they will throw you out on your ear ASAP. Don't ever think
about getting any free stuff, medical, welfare ( if they had it ) anything without being held in contempt, unless you pay for it, etc., we all know
this. The point here is the entire exchange is completely different, americans go to mexico to spend money and relax, which is why mexico welcomes and
tolerates so many americans, canadians, etc. The recipricol is simple economics, the US is a good place to come and make some money, send your kids to
school here ( big bonus ) and when someone is ill, go to a hospital for free, maybe even scam the dumb system that is set up to get welfare of sorts (
brutal truth ) I only state the truth here, I don't have a side, i love resonably priced labor, I find 99% of mexicanos, Guatamalans, etc., extreamly
hard working and family oriented people. The real problem with a discussion of reality that is as soon as you state something of truth, your a racist,
it stops the bright discussion of true ideas. We've seen this for years now, to the point where as soon as someone states " racisim" we all know its
because they have no legitimate answer to a tough question, it's weak and for followers. We live in global times, not mayberry rfd, I think it's great
and its a transition time, people on both sides of this isle need to step back. Every country has its own problems and every country always will, its
the way the world works, I find nothing wrong with any country looking out for itself over foresaking its population for some unknown greater good,
that is for idealistic utopians
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Paco Facullo
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Even without paragraphs (something I like but NOT a deal-breaker) as the content of chumlee57 's post is EXACTLY as it is .
Great job on explaining it perfectly !!!
Since I've given up all hope, I feel much better
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91% of Americans living in Mexico are Illegal
86% of statistics are made up as needed! (including this one)
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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JoeJustJoe
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Here is another article by one of my favorite news source, Al Jazeera, who is looking at this problem from a different angle, which is what's
driving some American ex-pats to Mexico.
What's not mentioned in this article, are these Americans, moving to Mexico, are doing it legally?
I doubt it, since the star of these article, Elizabeth Lucas, says if she didn't move to Tijuana, and her $160 dollars a month apartment in the Zona
Norte, she would have been homeless if a city like San Diego.
So I don't think a lot of the poor ex-pats coming to live in Mexico, are doing it legally.
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The 'crisis' driving some Americans to move to Mexico
A lack of affordable housing in the United States is driving many to move across the southern border.
Tijuana, Mexico - When Elizabeth Lucas moved with her four-year-old son from San Diego, California to a dangerous part of Tijuana, Mexico five years
ago, she felt she had no other options.
The 32-year-old, originally from Washington state, had been homeless for a year in San Diego before moving about 30km across the border to a $160 a
month apartment in Tijuana's red light district, Zona Norte, an area where drug dealing and violent crime are prevalent. She had spent years
travelling back and forth between the United States and Mexico, but over the years has made Tijuana her permanent home.
"It was what I had to do," Lucas told Al Jazeera.
"It was either [move to Tijuana] or be homeless, and now that I have a kid it can't be like that. I at least have this option ... When you're a girl
by yourself on the street, it's not good," she said, adding that she feels her family is safer in this part of Tijuana than in parts of San Diego.
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/crisis-driving-am...
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For years, Tijuana/Playas has been the affordable housing area for many working San Diegans who would rather cross the border daily than pay San Diego
level rents.
Both workers and retirees enjoy living in Baja to save money, and enjoy a higher quality of life on a lower number of dollars.
And as others have noted: their presence is not only tolerated- its welcomed.
They spend dollars, support local businesses, and many landlords know they can get higher rents from Americans.
Are all of them doing this legally?
Of course not.
\"Probably the airplanes will bring week-enders from Los Angeles before long, and the beautiful poor bedraggled old town will bloom with a
Floridian ugliness.\" (John Steinbeck, 1940, discussing the future of La Paz, BCS, Mexico)
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JoeJustJoe
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Quote: Originally posted by greengoes  | It isn't if, it is when, the Mexican government will catch two FMM/FMT applications in a twelve month span.
Just as one day coming down 5 into beautiful downtown Tijuana there will be people manning the booths that have been built asking for ID's.
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Greengoes, is the only one who answered correctly about those that try to game Mexico's immigration laws, using the 180 day FMM. and then running back
to the border, and starting the clock all over again with a new FMM.
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How long do I have to remain outside of Mexico before returning under the auspice of a new FMM?
There is no time limit to remain outside the country before re-entering using a new FMM—and thus obtaining another 180 days’ leave to remain in
Mexico. Some people have been using this flexibility to stay here longer-term; however, with today’s computerized entry and exit systems,
immigration officials at ports of entry have ready-access to your movements through Mexico and ‘perpetual visitors’ — people who continuously
enter, stay for a few months, exit and then re-enter Mexico in short order — may now have their intentions questioned at the port of entry. We have
heard of cases where people have been turned away; if you intend to stay in Mexico longer-term, we recommend you consider applying for temporary
residency in Mexico.
https://www.mexperience.com/your-mexican-tourist-permit-fmm/
For those with a 6 month visa please note yesterday a person was turned back at Nuevo Laredo. They left Mexico after being here about 180 days
and intended to turn around and re-enter with a new FMM. INM told him it was obvious he was a resident of Mexico and to go to MX consulate in Laredo.
This person is from Chapala. He did obtain a pre-approved visa from the MX consulate in Laredo and is now back in Chapala and intend to see Spencer on
Monday. A few others are starting to report similar experience with FMM renewal at Nuevo Laredo.
https://www.chapala.com/webboard/index.php?/topic/54373-tour...
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freediverbrian
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| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | | Quote: Originally posted by greengoes | It isn't if, it is when, the Mexican government will catch two FMM/FMT applications in a twelve month span.
Just as one day coming down 5 into beautiful downtown Tijuana there will be people manning the booths that have been built asking for ID's.
Papers Please
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Greengoes, is the only one who answered correctly about those that try to game Mexico's immigration laws, using the 180 day FMM. and then running back
to the border, and starting the clock all over again with a new FMM.
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How long do I have to remain outside of Mexico before returning under the auspice of a new FMM?
There is no time limit to remain outside the country before re-entering using a new FMM—and thus obtaining another 180 days’ leave to remain in
Mexico. Some people have been using this flexibility to stay here longer-term; however, with today’s computerized entry and exit systems,
immigration officials at ports of entry have ready-access to your movements through Mexico and ‘perpetual visitors’ — people who continuously
enter, stay for a few months, exit and then re-enter Mexico in short order — may now have their intentions questioned at the port of entry. We have
heard of cases where people have been turned away; if you intend to stay in Mexico longer-term, we recommend you consider applying for temporary
residency in Mexico.
https://www.mexperience.com/your-mexican-tourist-permit-fmm/
For those with a 6 month visa please note yesterday a person was turned back at Nuevo Laredo. They left Mexico after being here about 180 days
and intended to turn around and re-enter with a new FMM. INM told him it was obvious he was a resident of Mexico and to go to MX consulate in Laredo.
This person is from Chapala. He did obtain a pre-approved visa from the MX consulate in Laredo and is now back in Chapala and intend to see Spencer on
Monday. A few others are starting to report similar experience with FMM renewal at Nuevo Laredo.
https://www.chapala.com/webboard/index.php?/topic/54373-tour... |
I cross about 4-5 times a year at least once a year I get the excuse from the immigration officer , " sorry the internet is down you don't need a visa
go ahead".
The odds that the Mexican government will catch you pulling two consecutive visas AND inforce the laws are so small , I am not worrying about it.
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Brian L
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Do most illegal workers in the US not pay taxes? Seriously looking for an answer. I always thought the poor saps used a fake ID to get a job, pay
taxes, maybe use our schools and hospitals, but then get screwed out of social security. Realize I'm naive, sorry...
Brian
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| Quote: Originally posted by Brian L | | Do most illegal workers in the US not pay taxes? Seriously looking for an answer. I always thought the poor saps used a fake ID to get a job, pay
taxes, maybe use our schools and hospitals, but then get screwed out of social security. Realize I'm naive, sorry... |
YES. All of those taken is raids in Florida would have had to had SSI numbers, had payroll taxes taken out, etc.
Some day laborers and independent contractors fudge on this requirement...including those that are legal USA residents.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Day laborers you may see around Home Depot in the morning are independent contractors and responsible to report their income. Do you think they do?
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Very few immigrants look for work in Home Depot parking lot. 99% of immigrants pay higher effective tax rat than their employers. They pay income
tax, sale tax, car reg fees, etc.
The true cheat are the employers that highervcheap labor and exploit the laborers illegal status.
Good example was the ice raids yesterday. 600 hard working poor people arrested. Zero employers arrested. The trumpistas are waging war on poor
brown people, letting white criminals skate.
Woke!
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will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Day laborers you may see around Home Depot in the morning are independent contractors and responsible to report their income. Do you think they do?
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Very few immigrants look for work in Home Depot parking lot. 99% of immigrants pay higher effective tax rat than their employers. They pay income
tax, sale tax, car reg fees, etc.
The true cheat are the employers that highervcheap labor and exploit the laborers illegal status.
Good example was the ice raids yesterday. 600 hard working poor people arrested. Zero employers arrested. The trumpistas are waging war on poor
brown people, letting white criminals skate. |
You obviously do not get out in the mornings to do hard work in landscape or construction... in the Southwest United States.
Skin color has zero to do with anything, but some love to divide the nation using racism. All that any nation asks of its visitors or immigrants is to
follow the law of the land and use established border crossings. Simple.
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Would appear some degree of enforcement is taking place, at this time
More than 300 released after ICE arrests nearly 700 in Mississippi raids
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/08/nearly-700-arrested-in-ice-r...
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I wonder why they are letting the employers off the hook.
"While hundreds of suspected undocumented immigrants were arrested Wednesday in a series of workplace raids that split up families and left
communities terrified, their employers went home as if it were any other business day."
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/adolfoflores/ice-raids-...
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