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Tioloco
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Quote: Originally posted by motoged  | | Quote: Originally posted by caj13 |
Do you plan on reading the article JZ? because it says the lockdowns were very sucessfull in lowering rates, but now since there are no lockdowns,
thats whats driving the new numbers- go ahead JZ - Read it!
when they were "locked down" what was the result JZ? Its not the Lockdowns that are driving these new numbers. And just to be clear - did you
ever go back and actually watch and listen to the interview with the WHO Dr. ? did you? what did he say about lockdowns JZ? what did he say
about appropriate uses of lockdowns JZ?
and then go back and look at the history of lockdowns, and if the served their purpose!
[Edited on 10-16-2020 by caj13] |
You are sure expecting a lot from poor Jizzy.... read something longer than a headline? Comprehending a paragraph or more beyond a sound bite?
He needs a rest from being held accountable.....go easy with your expectations....  |
What a sad couple of hateful old babies you two are.
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We aren't a couple.... just two Nomads with a sense of decency.
Don't believe everything you think....
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mtgoat666
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The Third Coronavirus Surge Has Arrived
This week’s COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations make clear that the U.S. is once again sinking deeper into the pandemic.
THE COVID TRACKING PROJECT, OCTOBER 15, 2020
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/10/coronavi...
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-c...
Jizz: you can ignore this, go back to your tiktok!
Woke!
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by caj13 |
Do you plan on reading the article JZ? because it says the lockdowns were very sucessfull in lowering rates, but now since there are no lockdowns,
thats whats driving the new numbers- go ahead JZ - Read it!
when they were "locked down" what was the result JZ? Its not the Lockdowns that are driving these new numbers. |
Is this for real? Do you think that was the point being made? I'll give you a minute to reflect on it.
Let's play chess, not checkers ole boy.
[Edited on 10-16-2020 by JZ] |
Ok, I'll play. What was your point then? You said "bottom line is lockdowns don't stop viruses"
Believing is religion - Knowing is science
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Lobsterman
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Boy you guys are turning this thread into a "mini OT". Since OT is pretty much a two person forum now, I guess this side of the fence is where this
type of discussion needs to take place.
IMO and it's only my opinion I have to ask the questions: would you rather die from a million cuts and suffer greatly during that experience or just
get it over with. I pick the latter. Look at the harm we are doing to this generation and more importantly the next. Is it worth the costs? Are we
going to continue to follow this philosophy on all the other man-made viruses that are going to be sprung upon us in the future, i.e. by accident or
on purpose?
[Edited on 10-17-2020 by Lobsterman]
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caj13
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Here you go JZ - Pictures - makes it easy to understand: Might want to rethink your pretense of lockdowns not mattering!
And BTW - we may have lost the crown for a couple of weeks - but we are back baby - We are #1!
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases
and some current data for you
Cumulative cases:
America: 18 653 229 cases; the five countries reporting most cases are United States (8 050 141), Brazil (5 200 300), Argentina (965 596), Colombia
(945 354) and Peru (862 417).
Europe: 6 829 587 cases; the five countries reporting most cases are Russia (1 369 313), Spain (936 560), France (834 770), United Kingdom (689 257)
and Italy (391 611).
cumulative deaths
America: 606 348 deaths; the five countries reporting most deaths are United States (218 599), Brazil (153 214), Mexico (85 704), Peru (33 648) and
Colombia (28 616).
Europe: 239 188 deaths; the five countries reporting most deaths are United Kingdom (43 429), Italy (36 427), Spain (33 775), France (33 303) and
Russia (23 723).
Oh yeah lets remember 2 more things in this comparison OK JZ? whats the population of Europe? and the USA population? so go ahead, take those
numbers, and turn it into a proportion - and how does that affect the raw numbers JZ?
I'm sensing a trend here. There are a couple of Nomad members here who are notorious for posting links to information, that they clearly either did
not understand, or ignored the facts, or just plain did not read, instead choosing to post a click bait title from an uber right wing biased
source.
Funny that the one correlation I see is that they both failed the BAR exam.
i have no idea if that a correlation or causal!
[Edited on 10-17-2020 by caj13]
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caj13
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lobsterman | Are we going to continue to follow this philosophy on all the other man-made viruses that are going to be sprung upon us in the future, i.e. by
accident or on purpose?
[Edited on 10-17-2020 by Lobsterman] |
Bwahahahahaaaaaa! manmade - right! you must be a charter member of Q anon right! don't you have more important things to be "researching" ?
when are you going to find the next Comet Pizza, where lefty libs meet to eat children after they sexually abuse them!
[Edited on 10-17-2020 by caj13]
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Nobody ever said Lockdowns would stop Covid. They said it would slow it down.
Slow it down so it would take forever to disappear!!!!!!!!!!!!
Meanwhile, we will run out of rabbits and grass to eat.
Don
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Diet tip: subsisting on only rabbit likely leads to a fat deficiency and serious health risks/death. Eat some beaver to bring up your fat levels.
A Canadian who enjoys the flavour. 
Don't believe everything you think....
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Tioloco
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| Quote: Originally posted by motoged | Diet tip: subsisting on only rabbit likely leads to a fat deficiency and serious health risks/death. Eat some beaver to bring up your fat levels.
A Canadian who enjoys the flavour. |
Ged, like the old adage “you are what you eat” 
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caj13
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| Quote: Originally posted by Salsa | Nobody ever said Lockdowns would stop Covid. They said it would slow it down.
Slow it down so it would take forever to disappear!!!!!!!!!!!!
Meanwhile, we will run out of rabbits and grass to eat.
Don |
right, care to do a bit of research on what it would to entail getting to herd immunity? whats the projected # of deaths there?
so if you slow it down, don't overrun the medical resources, that allows for a higher survival rate, and reduces the infection rates. and fewer
people are infected across longer time frames. plus that time is well used toward getting a functional vaccine, which essentially give a population
Herd Immunity with out the infections and death!
But you just keep going to your Covid Parties dude! The faster you get sick, the better off the USA will be - right!
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Lobsterman
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Already Had CV
When I was working in the San Francisco area back in Jan-Feb I came home with a viral infection that lasted a few days. I was a little surprised
because I never get sick. Maybe twice in 20 years. Never had a flu shot. A recent anti-bodies test says I have CV anti bodies in my blood. I needed
the test to go back to work out in the field to visit remote locations. Did I have CV? Don't know or care if I did.
But what is up with you guys, someone makes a comment that differs from your view and out comes all these made up comments and insinuations on ones
actions. No, I do not have CV parties, I wear a mask in public, I keep social distances and I respect ones view on the CV. I'm just a fisherman who
goes fishing many times a week and minds his own business. I just do not support lockdowns and the harm they have caused. OK.
Please do not morph into another JJJ.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco | | Quote: Originally posted by motoged | Diet tip: subsisting on only rabbit likely leads to a fat deficiency and serious health risks/death. Eat some beaver to bring up your fat levels.
A Canadian who enjoys the flavour. |
Ged, like the old adage “you are what you eat” |
Too bad that is missing from your diet.
Don't believe everything you think....
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caj13
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lobsterman |
But what is up with you guys, someone makes a comment that differs from your view and out comes all these made up comments and insinuations on ones
actions. No, I do not have CV parties, I wear a mask in public, I keep social distances and I respect ones view on the CV. I'm just a fisherman who
goes fishing many times a week and minds his own business. I just do not support lockdowns and the harm they have caused. OK.
Please do not morph into another JJJ. |
Lobsterman: You are the one making the long ago disproven but favorite insinuation of the right wing fringe that this is a man made virus, and along
with that claim BTW was often the contention that Dr. Fauci "invented" the virus and sent it to china, to infect everyone!
That may be your "opinion" You are entitled to that. And, you have chosen to publically make that statement. I stand behind your right to do so.
BUT it is completely , totally, and long ago demonstrated to be completely false!
I'm simply holding you accountable for the false news you are spouting. You are entitled to your belief -
But I'm entitled to hold you accountable for your public spouting of fake news!
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| Quote: Originally posted by motoged | Diet tip: subsisting on only rabbit likely leads to a fat deficiency and serious health risks/death. Eat some beaver to bring up your fat levels.
A Canadian who enjoys the flavour. |
Beaver tail was a delicacy, probably still is. Good for you!
John
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Ca13 Get A Life
I guess one is not suppose to have an opinion on life as one sees it according to your yardstick. I've been quite successful in life just going with
my gut feelings molded by life events around me. I'm only one person. Why do you hold my opinion on CV, which by the way I've already had, with such
reverence? I'm just an old 73 yo fisherman from San Diego who just so happens to have an opinion on CV that I expressed on this thread. I'm not
recruiting anyone or tying to change anyone's opinion. I'm just offering mine. That's all. OK!
Now, it's almost 5am and I've got to get ready for todays fishing experience, i.e. 10 miles out of SD Bay SSW for red rockfish and while out there
look for breezing YFT and dorado along the Bank.
Tight Lines
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As usual another interesting BN thread of tossing hand grenades
One man's truth is another man's fallacy
CV ain't never going away, period. Live with it'
What is the fear of CV? Death? For whom?
It seems old folks that are overweight are the prime target of this virus
If you're younger and in generally good health don't worry too much
How many deaths are there every year in the USA total?
Look up and see how many deaths there are every year just from medical malpractice. Now compare that to the CV deaths.
What percentage of total deaths every year (I'll allow a projection in percentage here) are actual CV deaths?
How about the Stanford/UCLA study on actual CV deaths vs just contributory?
How much better have we gotten in the treatment of CV?
Will a vaccine be the panacea? When only 50% of the population might use it?
Why is the treatment of CV (and the academic discussion of it) politically driven and controlled (censored)?
Why have Drs who have small but proven records of treatment been shut down when their work goes counter to the mantra?
Why don't we mask up and lock down for the regular flu? It kills also?
What are the other costs to life by locking down?
Where is the tipping point to the good or bad of locking down counting the other risk factors (poverty, child abuse, economy, education of the young
who are not really affected, etc etc)
Ya can't lock down forever nor will the general public mask up forever.
Locking down was never to be forever. It was only for short term to "lower the curve"! CV was never going to be beaten into submission by locking
down.
AT SOME POINT SOMEONE WILL HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION THAT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF COVID DEATHS PER YEAR ARE ACCEPTABLE TO GO BACK TO NORMAL LIVING.
COVID WILL NEVER GO AWAY- LIVE WITH IT-
You chose your position in life today by what YOU did yesterday
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| Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy | As usual another interesting BN thread of tossing hand grenades
One man's truth is another man's fallacy
CV ain't never going away, period. Live with it'
What is the fear of CV? Death? For whom?
It seems old folks that are overweight are the prime target of this virus
If you're younger and in generally good health don't worry too much
How many deaths are there every year in the USA total?
Look up and see how many deaths there are every year just from medical malpractice. Now compare that to the CV deaths.
What percentage of total deaths every year (I'll allow a projection in percentage here) are actual CV deaths?
How about the Stanford/UCLA study on actual CV deaths vs just contributory?
How much better have we gotten in the treatment of CV?
Will a vaccine be the panacea? When only 50% of the population might use it?
Why is the treatment of CV (and the academic discussion of it) politically driven and controlled (censored)?
Why have Drs who have small but proven records of treatment been shut down when their work goes counter to the mantra?
Why don't we mask up and lock down for the regular flu? It kills also?
What are the other costs to life by locking down?
Where is the tipping point to the good or bad of locking down counting the other risk factors (poverty, child abuse, economy, education of the young
who are not really affected, etc etc)
Ya can't lock down forever nor will the general public mask up forever.
Locking down was never to be forever. It was only for short term to "lower the curve"! CV was never going to be beaten into submission by locking
down.
AT SOME POINT SOMEONE WILL HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION THAT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF COVID DEATHS PER YEAR ARE ACCEPTABLE TO GO BACK TO NORMAL LIVING.
COVID WILL NEVER GO AWAY- LIVE WITH IT-
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So your recommended response is to give up, quit trying.
You would have said same thing in response to polio, smallpox, measles, Ebola, etc.
Luckily, quitters like you are in the minority and are disregarded as ignorant cranks, and your ignorant, do-nothing, criminal president is about to
be voted out of office.
Woke!
Hands off!
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Here to STAY ?
Yeah, DEATH is here TODAY !
And NORMAL has gone AWAY !
Maybe, for the rest of DAYS !
Whine and moan, stay HOME or ROAM.
What you SEE is how it's gonna BE.
Have no FEAR. An end is NEAR. So watch your REAR.
And treat EVERY person as a potential assassin.
Have a nice day.
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