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Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  | | Quote: Originally posted by JC43 | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | The current landlord has revealed their true evil nature, and they are not going away. You will have to leave this property for your own peace of
mind. But you should first regain possession, then bulldoze or burn the place to the ground on first day of repossession.
The evil landlord must be prevented from profiting from crime.
Even if you regain control of property, the evil family will still be there, lurking and plotting....
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Pretty much the same can happen in the U.S. No doubt. If you lease land, the land is not yours. Period. Building on land which you do not own is just
stupid. Rent what`s in existence, but do not build anything to it. Do it in the U.S. you will be chased off in no time. Same happens in Mexico! Why
wondering???
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Lots of successful leased property in USA. Here in socal much of irvine housing is on leased land, 99 year renewable leases. Mexico is totally
outlaw territory compared to USA real estate system. |
Mexico an outlaw territory talking Real Estate compared to the U.S? Well, build a house on leased land in the US and tell me the house is yours!?!?
The Reals Estate laws in MX are strict. Comparable to the U.S. version.
Just more easy::: If you have paid for the land - it yours. If not - it`s not.
What is the difference??? Building on land which you do not own remains the only thing it can be named: Stupid. 99 yrs of lease? What if the
landlord is passing away (which might happen within 99 yrs) and the daughter is taking over? You don? t have a contract with her. Same story in MX
and US. !
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| Quote: Originally posted by JC43 | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by JC43 | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | The current landlord has revealed their true evil nature, and they are not going away. You will have to leave this property for your own peace of
mind. But you should first regain possession, then bulldoze or burn the place to the ground on first day of repossession.
The evil landlord must be prevented from profiting from crime.
Even if you regain control of property, the evil family will still be there, lurking and plotting....
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Pretty much the same can happen in the U.S. No doubt. If you lease land, the land is not yours. Period. Building on land which you do not own is just
stupid. Rent what`s in existence, but do not build anything to it. Do it in the U.S. you will be chased off in no time. Same happens in Mexico! Why
wondering???
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Lots of successful leased property in USA. Here in socal much of irvine housing is on leased land, 99 year renewable leases. Mexico is totally
outlaw territory compared to USA real estate system. |
Mexico an outlaw territory talking Real Estate compared to the U.S? Well, build a house on leased land in the US and tell me the house is yours!?!?
The Reals Estate laws in MX are strict. Comparable to the U.S. version.
Just more easy::: If you have paid for the land - it yours. If not - it`s not.
What is the difference??? Building on land which you do not own remains the only thing it can be named: Stupid. 99 yrs of lease? What if the
landlord is passing away (which might happen within 99 yrs) and the daughter is taking over? You don? t have a contract with her. Same story in MX
and US. !
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Same as if you are renting a house and the owner sells it. New owner, new conditions.
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X2 john. yup, its exactly that simple.
[Edited on 2-3-2021 by pacificobob]
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| Quote: Originally posted by JC43 | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by JC43 | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | The current landlord has revealed their true evil nature, and they are not going away. You will have to leave this property for your own peace of
mind. But you should first regain possession, then bulldoze or burn the place to the ground on first day of repossession.
The evil landlord must be prevented from profiting from crime.
Even if you regain control of property, the evil family will still be there, lurking and plotting....
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Pretty much the same can happen in the U.S. No doubt. If you lease land, the land is not yours. Period. Building on land which you do not own is just
stupid. Rent what`s in existence, but do not build anything to it. Do it in the U.S. you will be chased off in no time. Same happens in Mexico! Why
wondering???
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Lots of successful leased property in USA. Here in socal much of irvine housing is on leased land, 99 year renewable leases. Mexico is totally
outlaw territory compared to USA real estate system. |
Mexico an outlaw territory talking Real Estate compared to the U.S? Well, build a house on leased land in the US and tell me the house is yours!?!?
The Reals Estate laws in MX are strict. Comparable to the U.S. version.
Just more easy::: If you have paid for the land - it yours. If not - it`s not.
What is the difference??? Building on land which you do not own remains the only thing it can be named: Stupid. 99 yrs of lease? What if the
landlord is passing away (which might happen within 99 yrs) and the daughter is taking over? You don? t have a contract with her. Same story in MX
and US. !
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Unless the person you bought it from didn't actually own it. That happens a lot.
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i have title insurance policy from an American company on my land in mexico.
hopefully i never have to use it. but id rather have it in hand should I ever need to defend ownership.
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| Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob | i have title insurance policy from an American company on my land in mexico.
hopefully i never have to use it. but id rather have it in hand should I ever need to defend ownership. |
A title insurance is certainly a good thing - no doubt. BUT: If you buy a property and the seller is not the owner.... well... that is the next stupid
thing someone can do. Isn`t it essential that the buyer is asking for proper ownership? Question: Am I buying a car from someone and not asking for
the title???
And now the "BUT"! There are plenty of properties in Mexico which have no title. And as a matter of fact: One do not need a title to be safe as an
owner.
Example: Don Johnson (Hotel Serenidad) was involved in a lawsuit about a part of land on the right side of Highway one southbound from El Cacheno.
Lawsuit lasted for about 20 years. End of the story: Court was asking him if he had paid for the land and can show the receipt. Answer was no. Land
was gone! One thing is different in MX compared to the US. A title company like in the US does not exist in MX. Because there are lots of
properties having no title. Not a problem that. One do not need a title. Having the receipt that you paid for the property and of course a sales
contract is the main and only thing you need. Go to an Notary Public with the sales / purchasing contract and your receipt(!). Let him issue the
legal ownership paper - this very long legal paper - and the property is yours. And no one can bother you about owning your property. If you have a
title go to the katastry office and let your property being registered. No title company needed in MX.
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho | | Quote: Originally posted by JC43 | | Go to an Notary Public with the sales / purchasing contract and your receipt(!). Let him issue the legal ownership paper - this very long legal paper
- and the property is yours. |
JC, do you know how the notario determines whether the person that sold you the property, actually had the right to sell it?
Anybody can say they are the owner of a piece of land, sell it to you and issue a contract and receipt, but that does not mean that
the notary has legal grounds to then declare you the (new) legal owner... |
@lemcho: That is absolutely correct. The Notary public is NOT checking the legal transfer. That is up to the buyer!! The buyer needs to do his
homework.
The Notary is doing his job (and more important in MX: Charging you - no matter what) It happened more than one time that somebody purchased land
from a "seller" who was not the owner of the land.
i.e. it happened that somebody purchased land from a guy who claimed to be the owner. i.e. the son of the grandma of a family. But in MX it is
mostly(not always) the oldest person in a family who is the owner. As properties are mostly inherited. That is legally valid. No legal process
needed.
If something like that happens to you - you can only ask: How to get the chit back into the horse. Well if somebody is stupid enough not to do his
homework - the chit belongs to him - legally !
[Edited on 2-4-2021 by JC43]
[Edited on 2-4-2021 by JC43]
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| Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob | i have title insurance policy from an American company on my land in mexico.
hopefully i never have to use it. but id rather have it in hand should I ever need to defend ownership. |
Do you know that e v e r y insurance company has a `claim denial agent` employed? His job is to intensively search for mistakes in the application
form you submitted. Reason: Denial your (possible) claim. But if you do your homework upfront purchasing property in Mexico, you don`t need a title
insurance. Buying a property is safe in Mexico if you know the law.
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why yes, i do know how the claims process works. someday i hope to achive the level of savvy enjoyed by the more enlightened consumers of real-estate
services.
all these years i've been insuring my health, boats, aircraft , cars , life , pilot certificates and real estate. silly me.
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajarich | | Quote: Originally posted by JC43 | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by JC43 | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | The current landlord has revealed their true evil nature, and they are not going away. You will have to leave this property for your own peace of
mind. But you should first regain possession, then bulldoze or burn the place to the ground on first day of repossession.
The evil landlord must be prevented from profiting from crime.
Even if you regain control of property, the evil family will still be there, lurking and plotting....
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Pretty much the same can happen in the U.S. No doubt. If you lease land, the land is not yours. Period. Building on land which you do not own is just
stupid. Rent what`s in existence, but do not build anything to it. Do it in the U.S. you will be chased off in no time. Same happens in Mexico! Why
wondering???
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Lots of successful leased property in USA. Here in socal much of irvine housing is on leased land, 99 year renewable leases. Mexico is totally
outlaw territory compared to USA real estate system. |
Mexico an outlaw territory talking Real Estate compared to the U.S? Well, build a house on leased land in the US and tell me the house is yours!?!?
The Reals Estate laws in MX are strict. Comparable to the U.S. version.
Just more easy::: If you have paid for the land - it yours. If not - it`s not.
What is the difference??? Building on land which you do not own remains the only thing it can be named: Stupid. 99 yrs of lease? What if the
landlord is passing away (which might happen within 99 yrs) and the daughter is taking over? You don? t have a contract with her. Same story in MX
and US. !
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Any lease in Mexico with a term longer than 9 years and 364
days is not legal or enforceable. After that period, it's completely up to the owner of the property whether or not to honor any longer term
agreement.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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Whatever is said in the headline and little bit later like " doze it down" etc. is as stupid as can be. Doze something down you do not own (and any
building on a land belongs to the landlord - not necessarily to the one who build it) you better buy a good run-away-car! b/c the landlord will force
you to be jailed faster than you can reach the border for safety. Summary: Whatever is declared as crime in this thread committed by the landlord is
no crime at all. It is his legal right to do with his property whatever he wants. Every suggestion how to do revenge on the landlord is bullsh$$
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Totally agree with JC43. People who advise destructive action, certainly visible destructive action, are guiding you to doing a little prison time. Or
possibly some nasty punitive retribution. Be careful. Lots of big talkers here.
People here need to get real. It's not unusual for people in the area where I live to get gunned down standing in their front yard for some perceived
offense. Not really a problem if you are not in the drugs business or not trying to smart-ass your way through a real estate transaction gone bad.
But... as soon as you think you are going to out-smart out-tough these people, keep your distance from me. It's clear you are still a babe in the
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho |
That's what I've always assumed but I see numerous cases where people "sell" structures built on leased land.
How does this work? What is it they're actually selling if they don't own it?
I'd be very curious to read D-Train's contract where the parties' rights are specified.
And you talk as if you know about Mexican Law-- is a lease contract binding on the heirs of a property? |
That`s exactly the point. One has to know the lease contract in detail.
To your Q.: Of cause people are building on leased land. Then the contract says: The dirt belongs to the landlord - nothing else. The tenant is
paying to use the dirt. Like in the Oasis or other RV places. BUT: The moment the landlord is selling or passing away the situation is like it is said
earlier in this thread. Leasing a building one has no right to extend it. Period. The building belongs to the landlord. The building you are
constructing on leased land belongs to you. The magic fact: You paid for!
On a leased building it is: You paid for to use it - nothing else.
What the heck is so darn difficult to understand the issue?
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I see many lots "For Sale" on leased land. For example a Campo in San Felipe has a few lots for sale but the seller does not actually own the land
they just lease the lot and are selling the opportunity for someone else to lease the lot. I have a difficult time giving someone money to take over
their lease. If the amount is reasonable to me I will do it and I am considering "Buying" a lot right now.
"Buyer Beware" and do your due diligence !!
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| Quote: Originally posted by BajaRun | I see many lots "For Sale" on leased land. For example a Campo in San Felipe has a few lots for sale but the seller does not actually own the land
they just lease the lot and are selling the opportunity for someone else to lease the lot. I have a difficult time giving someone money to take over
their lease. If the amount is reasonable to me I will do it and I am considering "Buying" a lot right now.
"Buyer Beware" and do your due diligence !! |
I think it works this way: For Sale means, the owner of the building wants to sell his building. Which is only possible if the buyer is getting a new
lease contract for the dirt/lot the house is built on. If the lot is empty (no dwelling on it) make your homework if the seller is the legal owner
and can sell the lot legally.
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D-train;
what house is this? I am very familiar with Scorro/Socorrito as my Cousin Ed & Mary Shain lived just up and to the right of the landlord where the
road splits. They have been long gone and sold to someone from AZ? Is this your house?
Also know a few others who live there and in Socoritto
Yes I have heard the stories of the daughter who took over after the parents died.....
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| Quote: Originally posted by DawnPatrol | D-train;
what house is this? I am very familiar with Scorro/Socorrito as my Cousin Ed & Mary Shain lived just up and to the right of the landlord where the
road splits. They have been long gone and sold to someone from AZ? Is this your house?
Also know a few others who live there and in Socoritto
Yes I have heard the stories of the daughter who took over after the parents died..... |
It's not Ed & Mary's place. The family that purchased that property are lovely people. Our place is the big, reddish, brick house with garden in
front on the
north side of main dirt road as you get close to the beach. Photo below. More photos Flickr Photo Gallery - Our Baja Home.
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@ d-train. Can you explain which part of the house was in existence at the time you rented it. And which part did you ad to it?
The entire house looks like it was made in one piece.
But again. My question is not important for the issue of this thread.
Adding something to a house you don`t own is illegal. No reason to say "Gangster Tactics". Illegal even in the U.S.! YOU made the mistake - not the
legal owner.
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Anything new with this situation? Any luck getting your personal property back?
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