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Renewable energy (solar) plans for powering Baja California
Mexico’s Energy Regulatory Commission (CRE) has granted a permit to the Federal Electricity Commission (CFE) to generate energy at the solar power
farm that is under construction in Puerto Peñasco, Sonora.
The permit granted to the CFE allows for the generation of solar power at the Puerto Peñasco plant for 30 years, although it could be withdrawn if
not found to be in legal compliance.
The CFE will own 54% of the plant and the Sonora state government will own 46%, according to Sonora Governor Alfonso Durazo Montaño.
The solar power plant reportedly will be the largest in Latin America and the eighth largest in the world when it is completed.
The CFE plan in Sonora could eventually free Baja California from having to buy electricity from the U.S. Government
In reports last year, it was noted that electricity generated by the plant will benefit the more than 4 million inhabitants of Sonora and Baja
California, replacing Baja California’s purchase — at a high cost — of electricity from California. It will also connect electricity-strapped
Baja California to the rest of the country, as it currently operates separately from the SIN.
Source: https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/sonora-mexicos-silicon-vall...
Related- some examples of what Mexico is doing with US support/investment
“There is a commitment, if the conditions are met, that four of the 10 parks are used for the generation of electricity by wind,” AMLO said. “It
is an agreement with the U.S. government to contribute to facing the problem of climate change.”
He explained that U.S. banks or the U.S. government would finance the project through interest-free loans, and that companies from both countries will
take part in the construction. The finished plants would be run by Mexico’s state-owned Federal Electricity Commission (CFE).
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/amlo-says-mexico-to-receive...
\"Probably the airplanes will bring week-enders from Los Angeles before long, and the beautiful poor bedraggled old town will bloom with a
Floridian ugliness.\" (John Steinbeck, 1940, discussing the future of La Paz, BCS, Mexico)
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What part is renewable? The plastic or the metal, or the wires?
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at the same time you are not allowed to add solar panels to your house in BCS
You need CFE permission to do so
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Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  | at the same time you are not allowed to add solar panels to your house in BCS
You need CFE permission to do so |
Only if you are grid connected.
Off-grid you can do what you want.
But, yes, you need a tramite if you want net-metering.
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| Quote: Originally posted by soulpatch | | Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc | at the same time you are not allowed to add solar panels to your house in BCS
You need CFE permission to do so |
Only if you are grid connected.
Off-grid you can do what you want.
But, yes, you need a tramite if you want net-metering.
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that is correct
and CFE does no longer grant those
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Damn, that's interesting.
Hopefully that changes once AMLO is gone.
On the mainland we still get them but they have become painfully slow
For awhile an incentive fee would get them done inside of 30 days but that has passed, too.
I'm sorry to see that.
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I read an interesting idea ,it's called turning oil into salt. Two hundred years ago salt was a resource as valuable as oil. Countries went to war to
protect their salt supply. But with the inventions of transportation, electricity, refrigeration, food processing ,salt became something you put on
your food.
I doubt if I will see the day when oil is not a resource that is fought and died for. But with the renewable energy being advanced every day it will
come.
So the question is do we accept the change or reject it?
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho |
Why would AMLO care about that?
Maybe I don't understand because I just can't see the logic behind suppressing the development of a distributed power generation network. Seems like
the CFE has no shortage of customers for their existing plants.... |
You'd have to read the legislation he has supported, look at the people he has appointed, but he is no friend of renewable energy.
The truth is he would love to have legislation pass that inhibits it significantly.
Logic and Mexico are two words not often used in conjunction with each other.
However, that is only my experience with solar energy design and installation over the last 8 years.
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho |
I'm certainly not challenging your on-site experience, just trying to understand why the guy would oppose it; from an infrastructure standpoint,
distributed generation seems like a win-win. |
Amlo is trying to claw back the oil industry from private business. He wants to maximize oil revenues for the benefit of the country. Not a bad
approach for an oil-rich nation…
But not too green…
I dont think amlo opposes renewable energy, he just is more focused on maximizing petroleum revenue for country (and not for private industry).
Renewable energy is being developed, just not as fast as the renewable crowds wants.
Woke!
Hands off!
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“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho |
I'm certainly not challenging your on-site experience, just trying to understand why the guy would oppose it; from an infrastructure standpoint,
distributed generation seems like a win-win. |
No, I did not think you were.
As an extranjero and observer it makes zero sense unless you take into account a monetary favor based government that is completely pretty much hands
off when it comes to crime at any high level.
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Nyt article on amlo and energy
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/17/world/americas/mexico-pre...
Woke!
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“Por el bien de todos, primero los pobres.”
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Pronoun: the royal we
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[/rquote]
that is correct
and CFE does no longer grant those[/rquote]
I reached out to a friend that works for a national solar company and she told me that it took 2 years for the tramite/bi-directional meter to process
for their last job in Baja Sur.
Ridiculous.
I guess that would promote a lot of work arounds and also promote battery based systems.
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho | | Quote: Originally posted by soulpatch |
I reached out to a friend that works for a national solar company and she told me that it took 2 years for the tramite/bi-directional meter to process
for their last job in Baja Sur. |
Amazing! Is this solar company owned and staffed by Mexican nationals?
Sounds like a lack of connections. Or lubrication.  |
What this shows is that solar installation with bidirectional permits to sell back power can be processed in bcs, but it takes time. Everything with
CFE is slower and more difficult or nearly impossible due to politics, perhaps incompetence and perhaps intentionally slowing down the process $$$.
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho | | Quote: Originally posted by soulpatch |
I reached out to a friend that works for a national solar company and she told me that it took 2 years for the tramite/bi-directional meter to process
for their last job in Baja Sur. |
Amazing! Is this solar company owned and staffed by Mexican nationals?
Sounds like a lack of connections. Or lubrication. |
They have operations all over Mexico.
They definitely know how to get it done but they are facing a backwards moving government.
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[/rquote]
Interesting.
Personally, I've always been pretty happy with the CFE, but I haven't dealt with them during this sexenio.[/rquote]
There is a lot at play.
AMLO is a populist/nationalist and his big emphasis is national pride.
Two of the biggest national pride displays are CFE and PEMEX.
There is a direct correlation between buying energy from PEMEX to make energy for CFE.
Also, CFE has realized that profits diminish with more and more RE pumping into the grid.
Here they can use the excuse that a transformer is too small, etc, and they try to ignore the legislation in place.
I have read the legislation, discussed it with other providers, small, big, suppliers, etc.
None of his stonewalling is legit but there are many ways to slow the future down.
There is more but I would bore you to death.
It will shake out, hopefully when he is gone.
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Anything the NYT's says has to be taken with a huge does of skepticism. Dropping articles like that is how ppl get brainwashed.
[Edited on 2-22-2023 by JZ]
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JZ: you sound like an kid who doesn’t know the difference between facts and myths and misinformation.
Pick up a NYT’s sometime and just give it a read with your wonderful and powerful skeptical eye.
Your fears are a map to your freedom.
Newspapers are indeed run by humans.
You won’t find NYT reporters hyping conspiracy theories to get ratings like they do at Fox.
You can do it! I believe in you.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Ateo | JZ: you sound like an kid who doesn’t know the difference between facts and myths and misinformation.
Pick up a NYT’s sometime and just give it a read with your wonderful and powerful skeptical eye.
Your fears are a map to your freedom.
Newspapers are indeed run by humans.
You won’t find NYT reporters hyping conspiracy theories to get ratings like they do at Fox.
You can do it! I believe in you. |
NYT's and WaPo are activists, not journalists. Fox is very similar. Both should be used very selectively to make an argument. No way I'm trusting
them to make unbiased comments on Mexico's energy policy.
The real problem is for every Fox there are 20 NYT's.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
Anything the NYT's says has to be taken with a huge does of skepticism. Dropping articles like that is how ppl get brainwashed.
[Edited on 2-22-2023 by JZ] |
I can't read the article but the headline is accurate.
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho |
Historically, the balance between private and federal control of critical resources, has been polemic. Private investment in that sector-- especially
foreign capital-- is often perceived as against national interests, and I suspect that part of AMLO's resistance is a perception that opening up to
all these foreign companies covetously eyeing Mexico as a ripe plumb for renewal energy investment, his fear of too much outside influence.
Which is not baseless, looking at the country's history.
But why he's not pointing the CFE itself more towards renewables, puzzles me: that could be an additional source of energy, which is
always a good thing for a developing country, and all that oil which is now destined to be burned for electrical power, could be sold to a
petroleum-hungry international market. <shrug> |
I think the issue here is you are applying common and economic sense.
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