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Okay, you guys are dancing all around the right answer, but you are in the right ethnicity.
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Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  | | Over complexity is driving the medium to major problems on EV's causing returns to dealers for repair work. But some EV's still have fewer problems
than the average IC vehicle, notably Kia |
I just checked because I don't think "over complexity" is a problem with my BEV.
With Tesla, about 70% have either had no problems or minor cosmetic issues. Over complexity of the system, of any type - minor to major, accounted
for about 6% of issues.
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| Quote: Originally posted by oxxo | | Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | Over complexity is driving the medium to major problems on EV's causing returns to dealers for repair work. But some EV's still have fewer problems
than the average IC vehicle, notably Kia |
I just checked because I don't think "over complexity" is a problem with my BEV.
With Tesla, about 70% have either had no problems or minor cosmetic issues. Over complexity of the system, of any type - minor to major, accounted
for about 6% of issues. |
You might want to check the JD Power report just released, or one of the news articles summing it up. They are listed best or worst in their initial
quality study. Hyundai and Kia are the cheapest ones that also have the best quality. Fortunately, all those initial problems should be covered by
warranty by taking it back to the dealer. Once they are sorted, the overall maintenance should decline.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/evs-are-giving-new-owners-mor...
[Edited on 6-30-2024 by JDCanuck]
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| Quote: Originally posted by oxxo |
Of course you are right @Surabi but the point I was making is that, for the most part, Mexicans come into more contact with Gringos than they do with
Mexicans from the mainland other than Tapatios and Chilangos, ON A DAILY BASIS. Consequently, they have more in common with those Gringos just in
terms of familiarity.
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That I can understand, although I wouldn't necessarily consider it "more in common", but simply "more familiar with" or "more comfortable with".
There's so much that goes into feeling that one has a things in common with others, that has very little to do with nationality. Common interests,
similar lifestyle, economic and education status, political persuation, etc.
I have a friend who is in her late 70's now and has lived in Canada for about 40 years, but is originally Czech. She said people have sometimes said
to her, "Oh, I know this other Czech woman, I should introduce you."
My friend finds this really strange- like why would she want to meet someone she may have nothing in common with, and might not like at all, just
because they're from the same country?
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A lease on a Hyundai IONIQ 5 is the least expensive car in the US right now!
https://electrek.co/2024/06/28/hyundai-ioniq-5-lease-price-b...
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Which makes pretty good sense if you are concerned about Battery improvements and not sure if you'll actually be a convert. Your commitment is for a
limited period. Your net after fuel savings and maintenance costs through the warranty period would be close to zero and you at the end of the lease
can either choose to buy at the residual value or let it go and look for a replacement.
We are considering leasing our next (much larger) Hybrid or EV for those reasons. The Kia EV9 has our attention right now.
[Edited on 6-30-2024 by JDCanuck]
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck |
We are considering leasing our next (much larger) Hybrid or EV for those reasons. The Kia EV9 has our attention right now. |
BE VERY CAREFUL WITH LEASING, IT IS VERY TRICKY! Leasing appears to be an "inexpensive" way to get into a new car, but often is not. There are
several factors to consider:
1. Capitalized cost = cost of prepayment (incorrectly called "down payment") plus cost of monthly payments
2. Availability of any Govt. rebates or credits on a leased vehicle
3. Number of months on the lease as stated in contract
4. Number of annual miles allowed
5. Residual value at end of lease (IF purchase is even permitted)
6. Comparison to cost of financing to purchase outright minus any rebates and/or credits (with unlimited miles and you own the vehicle to dispose of
as you wish and when)
Personally, I have never found that leasing made financial sense to me, but everyone is different and it might make sense to you, your situation, and
your philosophy about vehicles. I am not going to acquire another BEV (purchase or lease) for another 53 years (that will make me 153 y.o.) because
that's when flying cars are going to be coming out with lifetime batteries that do not degrade and I am waiting for the "latest and greatest"
technology! 
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Same here...and it is a rats nest to read through all the requirements. We have never before leased and always bought for ten years or more of use
when we bought new. The difference now is how rapidly the technology is changing. Even three to five years ahead, you may find yourself with obsolete
tech, making the resale value continue to plummet like it has in the recent past. Better if the terms are right to let the manufacturer take the risk
until technology changes stabilize a bit as they eventually did with IC vehicles.
And yes, EV powered multi-fan computer stabilized flying taxis are already being produced, no pilots license required and minimal operation training.
Imagine what that technology might create within 10-15 years. You cold fly from La Paz to our home in under an hour and forget about the road
conditions.
[Edited on 6-30-2024 by JDCanuck]
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | The difference now is how rapidly the technology is changing. Even three to five years ahead, you may find yourself with obsolete tech, making the
resale value continue to plummet like it has in the recent past. |
Hummmm......my Tesla is almost 6 years old AND as a result of no extra cost OTA updates every 1 to 3 times a month, my 6 y.o. car has all the
electrical and software improvements of any new Tesla. Tesla is the only BEV mfg. that does this, at this time. No, I don't have the newest battery
technology and I don't have 400 miles of range, but the technology and range I do have is MORE THAN ENOUGH to meet MY needs. Resale? I really don't
care because this will probably be my last car, 'cause I doubt I'll live to be 153 y.o.
| Quote: | | Better if the terms are right to let the manufacturer take the risk until technology changes stabilize a bit as they eventually did with IC vehicles.
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Yes, if that BEV manufacturer has planned "obsolescence" built into their marketing strategy to increase their bottom line. Tesla is currently the
exception. Least expensive is not always the best OR least expensive.
ICE vehicles have been improving technology over the years. If you had the same philosophy back then as you do now, you would never had owned an ICE
vehicle. For example, improvements in ICE gpm specifications were the result of Federal mandates. The ICE mfg's would have NEVER done this on their
own because the Fossil Fuel Industry and the ICE mfg's have always been working hand-in-hand to scru the consumer. If the Fed's eliminated the
current subsidies for fossil fuels, gasoline for ICE vehicles, would be 4 to 5 dollars higher, per gallon, than they are now! Compare that to BEV's
where electricity from the sun is free (after amortizing the cost of infrastructure at your home with a break-even of about 3-4 years right now and
decreasing. Better to wait 5 to 10 to install solar panels because cost is coming down.    )
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| Quote: Originally posted by oxxo | | Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | The difference now is how rapidly the technology is changing. Even three to five years ahead, you may find yourself with obsolete tech, making the
resale value continue to plummet like it has in the recent past. |
Hummmm......my Tesla is almost 6 years old AND as a result of no extra cost OTA updates every 1 to 3 times a month, my 6 y.o. car has all the
electrical and software improvements of any new Tesla. Tesla is the only BEV mfg. that does this, at this time. No, I don't have the newest battery
technology and I don't have 400 miles of range, but the technology and range I do have is MORE THAN ENOUGH to meet MY needs. Resale? I really don't
care because this will probably be my last car, 'cause I doubt I'll live to be 153 y.o.
| Quote: | | Better if the terms are right to let the manufacturer take the risk until technology changes stabilize a bit as they eventually did with IC vehicles.
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Yes, if that BEV manufacturer has planned "obsolescence" built into their marketing strategy to increase their bottom line. Tesla is currently the
exception. Least expensive is not always the best OR least expensive.
ICE vehicles have been improving technology over the years. If you had the same philosophy back then as you do now, you would never had owned an ICE
vehicle. For example, improvements in ICE gpm specifications were the result of Federal mandates. The ICE mfg's would have NEVER done this on their
own because the Fossil Fuel Industry and the ICE mfg's have always been working hand-in-hand to scru the consumer. If the Fed's eliminated the
current subsidies for fossil fuels, gasoline for ICE vehicles, would be 4 to 5 dollars higher, per gallon, than they are now! Compare that to BEV's
where electricity from the sun is free (after amortizing the cost of infrastructure at your home with a break-even of about 3-4 years right now and
decreasing. Better to wait 5 to 10 to install solar panels because cost is coming down. ) |
Where do you come up with this stuff? $4-$5 dollars a gallom higher? lol
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You have not answered my question. Where did you get these figures: "Spend $10 Trillion dollars and reduce the gases by 1.7%" Either answer the
question or it is obvious you just made it up. I will answer your questions (because I do have answers) when you answer mine.
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| Quote: Originally posted by oxxo |
You have not answered my question. Where did you get these figures: "Spend $10 Trillion dollars and reduce the gases by 1.7%" Either answer the
question or it is obvious you just made it up. I will answer your questions (because I do have answers) when you answer mine. |
I answered that yesterday at 3:56PM
Now is your turn
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Okay you just made that up and you are just being "sarcastic." TioTaco you have evidenced you are not a serious and sincere person. I tried to give
you respect but you have refused to be respectful in return. I will not make room for those kind of people in my life.
 POOF you are gone!
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Poof, I reappeared and you still didnt answer my question... but I knew you couldn't back up your ridiculous statement about gas prices.
Its ok, I know electric cars do have a place in the world. They just aren't destined to eliminate the need for an ICE vehicle.
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Let’s all sing a song together.
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Bye, Oxxo! Sorry to see you get departed!
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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BC and BCS have more in common with the US. Even Mexican Law recognizes that fact. Baja receives both fuel and electricity from the US. BC was and
still is tied into the US electrical grid. There is a current project to tie it (BC) into the mainland Mexican grid as well. The primary purpose is to
sell more electricity to the US.
The Northern Border Minimum Wage (BC) is almost double the mainland minimum wage!
Car import policies are different and much more!
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FYI, the mainland minimum wage is 248.93 pesos/day, but that's more like what some tomato picker in some agricultural area or somewhere totally
Mexican with no tourism might get paid. You can't get a cleaner or a gardener in my area for less than 100 pesos/hour, and some want more. And that's
not the "gringo price"- that's the average wage for fairly unskilled labor. A plumber or an electrician or a painter charge at least twice that. (Not
to say that a good cleaner or gardener doesn't have skills of their trade, just that they don't have education or a degree in anything, which would
command a higher salary)
[Edited on 7-1-2024 by surabi]
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Until conditions change, it appears the BYD Shark remains the most all-round usable electric vehicle here in BCS. Anything other than hybrids remain
rare. Pricing may have to come down some before it gets broad acceptance. Overall BYD vehicle lineup is accessible here:
https://www.byd.com/mx/car/BYDSHARK
[Edited on 7-2-2024 by JDCanuck]
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Has anyone had any experience with Hybrid Hot Water Heaters or found a Mexico supplier for them? Like these Rheem Proterra units available in the US
and Canada?
https://www.rheem.ca/products/residential/water-heating/hybr...
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