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bajaric
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Fires in Northern Baja California
In the last few days saw some reports on FB about a couple of fires. One northeast of Ensenada in the "Piedras Blancas" area and several fires south
of Ejido Esteban Cantu "Cantu" on the Punta Banda Península. These were medium sized fires with large smoke plumes that were visible for miles
around. Word today is the fire in Cantu is out. Fortunately, the wind died down and it did not incinerate any of the little campos in there.
Depending on political orientation, the cause of all these fires is attributed to different reasons. People on the left say that the fires are a
result of human activities that have increased the level of CO2 in the atmosphere. (from 200 ppm to 400 ppm..) People on the right attribute them to
"woke" politicians cutting the budget of the fire department to pay for transgender film festivals and provide sanctuary for illegal migrants.
My own view is that the cycle of drought and fire has always been present in the Californias. John Muir wrote of observing a forest fire in the
Sierra Nevada. In the 1950's the Santa Ana winds stoked a fire that incinerated parts of Bel Air in Los Angeles. In the 1970's, there was a fire in
San Diego County that burned from Alpine to the beach.
It does seem that these mega fires that destroy hundreds or thousands of homes are becoming more common. The Cedar fire in San Diego devestated
entire neighborhoods, with many houses and apartments in Scripps Ranch burned to the ground. Ditto the paradise fire, that wiped out a whole town.
These all have the common factor of housing developments built in rural or semi-rural areas that are surrounded by steep canyons full of dry brush and
timber, and extreme wind events. There really is no stopping a fire under these circumstances. This time it was Pacific Palisades. The only
question, really, is who is next.
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Well written, bajaric! 
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Climate is changing. Man can't do anything about it.
What man can do is prepare and react to it. This is what wasn't done right with the latest fires.
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Seems clueless to choose to live in super dry areas and not expect that wildfires are a strong possibility, just like choosing to live in hurricane or
tornado alley and not anticipating that hurricanes or tornadoes would be a risk.
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Climate Change Indicators: Glaciers
https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indica...
The cause of climate change can be debated, but not the reality of it.
Nearly 100 percent of the world's glaciers have been receding, and this has been going on for decades.
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JZ
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Agreed.
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Humans survived under past climate extremes by adapting. So far we haven't seen much change in the materials or design of buildings given the risks we
face. It might be time to rethink the traditional wood frame 3 story above ground home with cedar shingles and start looking at what might survive
better given we have very little ability to slow the present trends in global temps, rising water levels, earthquakes, hurricanes and increased
wildfires.
[Edited on 1-11-2025 by JDCanuck]
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'Man cannot do anything about it.' Not true
I beg to differ. Mankind did act in concert to moderate the planets climate in the 80's with the expanding southern ozone hole by banning cfc's.
This worldwide approved strategy is still working to mitigate and decrease the southern ozone hole.
Mankind did this. Mankind can do much more if the will is there to overcome the power of the dollar.
What do we owe to our future generations? I have been trying to leave as small a footprint as I can going back to the days of Pack Your Trash and
leave no footprints behind, or any sign of your being there.
I always brought a rake for some reason. haha
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Surfhat: So you have reached that elusive point where you can honestly say you are living at net zero? No fossil fuel vehicles, no gas or wood stoves,
no food that is produced using fossil fuels? I have been working toward that goal for at least 40 years now and am only maybe 50% there with an EV
powered vehicle for 95% of our driving from a 97% renewables power grid, just built a 100% solar powered home (with propane backups in emergencies).
Meanwhile, in the world around me, Coal and other fossil fuels use is on the rise, and 33% efficient Nuclear (the other 67% wasted as heat to the
environment, mainly the oceans) is increasingly seen as the answer. I don't see a lot of progress. I think it's time to think about adapting.
With all our money thrown at this issue and decades of discussions of how to get there, here's our progress on CO2 reductions to date. Add to that the
67% of new nuclear energy wasted as heat and we get something close to where we are headed:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/276629/global-co2-emissi...
But this chart shows quite clearly the countries you will need to win over on the CO2 issue: China, India, Russia, Iran, Saudis and Indonesia. Good
luck on that one.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/270499/co2-emissions-in-...
[Edited on 1-13-2025 by JDCanuck]
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Quote: Originally posted by JZ  | Climate is changing. Man can't do anything about it.
What man can do is prepare and react to it. This is what wasn't done right with the latest fires.
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JD, that is some creative extension on your part. Yes, there is more everyone could do. Net zero? I never claimed that. You did.
I hope you are leaving behind as small a footprint as you are comfortable with. I hope I am too in my own small way. I hope everyone plays a part in
their own ways, as small as they are.
May we all in our own ways do at least something to leave a better world for future generations to come.
Net Zero is an ideal to strive toward and even a rare reality at times. I hope the Net Zero ideal becomes standard practice in the future. Our
generations to come deserve nothing less from us.
Hope still does spring eternal that mankind will do more than it currently does for the future of a world we are leaving behind.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | Climate is changing. Man can't do anything about it.
What man can do is prepare and react to it. This is what wasn't done right with the latest fires.
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Man can do plenty about climate change. Man is cheap and in denial. Greed and profit over anything else. Conservatives play games and point
fingers. Nothing new.
Little LA and surrounding can do about Santa Ana winds. More party line bullshlt laying blame on victims.
And you know what hasn't been done right -- according to what you read in the media.
Where's the conspiracy theories JZ?
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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JDCanuck
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| Quote: Originally posted by surfhat | JD, that is some creative extension on your part. Yes, there is more everyone could do. Net zero? I never claimed that. You did.
I hope you are leaving behind as small a footprint as you are comfortable with. I hope I am too in my own small way. I hope everyone plays a part in
their own ways, as small as they are.
May we all in our own ways do at least something to leave a better world for future generations to come.
Net Zero is an ideal to strive toward and even a rare reality at times. I hope the Net Zero ideal becomes standard practice in the future. Our
generations to come deserve nothing less from us.
Hope still does spring eternal that mankind will do more than it currently does for the future of a world we are leaving behind.
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I have to agree with all that, but we are losing ground no matter what we few do. The vast majority don't want to change so we need to adapt to what
we have. Oddly, most still blame the utilities or corporations who have been the ones leading the reductions in CO2. If you look at that second chart
I posted, Germany, UK Scandinavian countries and even Canada and US Corporations have been dropping their footprints. Even in Canada, 75% of slight
net reductions over last 30 years came from utilities and corporations, but the general public wants faster, more fuel hungry vehicles as any trip to
a grocery store parking lot will show.
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Seeing as you rocket scientists turned this thread political, here's more food for thought.
"Do Plants Decay Produce CO2
When plants decay, they do indeed produce carbon dioxide (CO2). This process is part of the global carbon cycle"
"Warmer climates generally accelerate the decay process, leading to faster CO2 release"
Do Farts Contain CO2
Yes, farts do contain carbon dioxide (CO₂). According to various sources, the gases in a fart are primarily made up of nitrogen, hydrogen, carbon
dioxide, methane, and oxygen, with trace amounts of other gases. Among these, carbon dioxide is one of the main components
You guys also create alot of CO2 exhaling
"About 4.5 billion people around the globe do not have access to adequate sanitation, and what they do have — typically pit latrines and lagoons —
are responsible for the illness of millions and a portion of the greenhouse gases that are warming the planet"
[Edited on 1-13-2025 by Glidergeek]
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Your points are, I assume: We should keep our plants green and healthy, pit latrines and lagoons are not the best way to deal with sewage and we
should stifle ourselves (or at least go outside where its less offensive). Can't disagree with any of that.
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You need to do some research on that one. Seems you missed a few memos.
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Jz: We are finding the same issues here with insurance. Highest risks are either no longer covered or have increasingly huge deductibles if they do
occur. More and more people are finding their houses destroyed by landslides or overland floods (second most common disaster risk) and only then
finding their insurance doesn't cover those risks at all when they read the very detailed limitations in the standard contracts. Earthquakes, which
are the highest risk here are about 40% of the premium cost, but only cover damage that exceeds the 30% deductible. It would take an extremely large
earthquake to do that much damage to your home.
In Baja, is it worth getting insurance for earthquakes, hurricanes, fires and floods or is the payout as unreliable as it is up here and it would be
better to carry the liability insurance alone??
[Edited on 1-15-2025 by JDCanuck]
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | Jz: We are finding the same issues here with insurance. Highest risks are either no longer covered or have increasingly huge deductibles if they do
occur. More and more people are finding their houses destroyed by landslides or overland floods (second most common disaster risk) and only then
finding their insurance doesn't cover those risks at all when they read the very detailed limitations in the standard contracts. Earthquakes, which
are the highest risk here are about 40% of the premium cost, but only cover damage that exceeds the 30% deductible. It would take an extremely large
earthquake to do that much damage to your home. |
That is not good news JD.
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On behalf of the snobby “better than you Nomads” I’d like to say that any bull loney BS talk about LA City Fire and California in a thread about
Baja and on a Baja website should be terminated or moved to OT slums.
Just your daily reminder from a sarcastic a hole……
You trolls should get in touch with your Baja selves and judge others less. Yes, I’m judging you and this whole thread/thing is ridiculous…..
People are in pain. Where’s your manners? Have you no shame?
Answer: we all lose our manners sometimes and get taken over by the beast inside of us that wants to pontificate our inner marooon which is really
just a conglomeration of brain activity and past experiences and what we recently read on social media burping into this website.
Only way to escape it is for a second. Hopefully a second will get you to take yourself less seriously for a few seconds.
Adios for a few seconds…..
[Edited on 1-15-2025 by Ateo]
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| Quote: Originally posted by Ateo | On behalf of the snobby “better than you Nomads” I’d like to say that any bull loney BS talk about LA City Fire and California in a thread about
Baja and on a Baja website should be terminated or moved to OT slums.
Just your daily reminder from a sarcastic a hole……
You trolls should get in touch with your Baja selves and judge others less. Yes, I’m judging you and this whole thread/thing is ridiculous…..
People are in pain. Where’s your manners? Have you no shame?
Answer: we all lose our manners sometimes and get taken over by the beast inside of us that wants to pontificate our inner marooon which is really
just a conglomeration of brain activity and past experiences and what we recently read on social media burping into this website.
Only way to escape it is for a second. Hopefully a second will get you to take yourself less seriously for a few seconds.
Adios for a few seconds…..
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Wow. That's a good read Ateo. My thoughts exactly.
Political junkies? Don't remember where password is for OT but you can get it from a moderator. JZ is OP for first 14 posts there and will
welcome your debate about politics.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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